[Twosugars]

Let's face it, trump and his neocon security adviser Bolton are spoiling for a war with Iran.

[MTVN]

^ is why a lot of people get frustrated when Corbyn makes comments like this

Be interested to know what was not credible about the footage the US released yesterday

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by MTVN

^ is why a lot of people get frustrated when Corbyn makes comments like this

Be interested to know what was not credible about the footage the US released yesterday

Yeah the UK is basically always in the wrong, and dodgy regimes are in the right.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Let's face it, trump and his neocon security adviser Bolton are spoiling for a war with Iran.

Trump is still prepared to Talk with Iran,


Iran at this time , refuses.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by arista

Trump is still prepared to Talk with Iran,


Iran at this time , refuses.

What reasons are given for refusal?

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Be interested to know what was not credible about the footage the US released yesterday

The US released it and the current US president has lied through his teeth on a regular basis since the moment he was sworn in?

[Toy Soldier]

Just wait for the screeching and whining of everyone who is currently desperate for Iraq 2.0 when the inevitable destruction sends waves of Iranian families our way as refugees.

"Reeeee get out of here we don't want you here nothing to do with us!! Freeloaders! Scum!"

... After y'all have been practically drooling over the prospect of bombing their homes to dust under Trump's banner.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

What reasons are given for refusal?

"Trust"

[Northern Monkey]

Yes Corbyn does have some very dodgy ‘friends’ and does enjoy siding with anyone but Britain a lot of the time.

Also i saw the footage and it definitely shows a boat of people doing something very suspicious to a tanker.
I do think it is probably Iran and i’d be inclined to believe US military intelligence.

However on this issue i think Corbyn is right.
Extreme caution needs to be exercised.
We DO NOT want to rush into war with Iran.
It would be massive and hugely costly and bloody with no quick victory.It would play out in Iraq and Afghanistan too.
Iran is not like Iraq.It is a lot bigger with a much bigger population.
Its navy has a tactical advantage due to its location and the Persian gulf(an important oil route) would become a huge war zone.US ships could get trapped in there.
Iran has a big arsenal of missiles and a bigger army too.
Let’s try not to get into a war there.
I don’t think Trump wants war but the war mongers alongside him do.
It’s a dangerous situation and everything should be done to calm tensions.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Just wait for the screeching and whining of everyone who is currently desperate for Iraq 2.0 when the inevitable destruction sends waves of Iranian families our way as refugees.

"Reeeee get out of here we don't want you here nothing to do with us!! Freeloaders! Scum!"

... After y'all have been practically drooling over the prospect of bombing their homes to dust under Trump's banner.

Who are you even talking to? No-one here has said they wanted action to be taken in Iran.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The US released it and the current US president has lied through his teeth on a regular basis since the moment he was sworn in?

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Just wait for the screeching and whining of everyone who is currently desperate for Iraq 2.0 when the inevitable destruction sends waves of Iranian families our way as refugees.

"Reeeee get out of here we don't want you here nothing to do with us!! Freeloaders! Scum!"

... After y'all have been practically drooling over the prospect of bombing their homes to dust under Trump's banner.

Exactly my thoughts

#TS2022

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The US released it and the current US president has lied through his teeth on a regular basis since the moment he was sworn in?

Its a bit silly to dismiss any evidence, no matter how compelling, because you don't like the source

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by arista

Trump is still prepared to Talk with Iran,


Iran at this time , refuses.

And as we know trump always tells the truth

He's been after Iran from the start. Despite what our and other western governments have been telling him.
And now Iran conveniently "attacked" the tankers.

[James]

You can be against a war, and still not turn a blind eye to other countries wrong-doing.

It doesn't have to be one or the other.

[parmnion]

He's just an insignificant nosey old man.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Yes Corbyn does have some very dodgy ‘friends’ and does enjoy siding with anyone but Britain a lot of the time.

Also i saw the footage and it definitely shows a boat of people doing something very suspicious to a tanker.
I do think it is probably Iran and i’d be inclined to believe US military intelligence.

However on this issue i think Corbyn is right.
Extreme caution needs to be exercised.
We DO NOT want to rush into war with Iran.
It would be massive and hugely costly and bloody with no quick victory.It would play out in Iraq and Afghanistan too.
Iran is not like Iraq.It is a lot bigger with a much bigger population.
Its navy has a tactical advantage due to its location and the Persian gulf(an important oil route) would become a huge war zone.US ships could get trapped in there.
Iran has a big arsenal of missiles and a bigger army too.
Let’s try not to get into a war there.
I don’t think Trump wants war but the war mongers alongside him do.
It’s a dangerous situation and everything should be done to calm tensions.

Very fair post NM.
I can go with all you've said.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Yes Corbyn does have some very dodgy ‘friends’ and does enjoy siding with anyone but Britain a lot of the time.

Also i saw the footage and it definitely shows a boat of people doing something very suspicious to a tanker.
I do think it is probably Iran and i’d be inclined to believe US military intelligence.

However on this issue i think Corbyn is right.
Extreme caution needs to be exercised.
We DO NOT want to rush into war with Iran.
It would be massive and hugely costly and bloody with no quick victory.It would play out in Iraq and Afghanistan too.
Iran is not like Iraq.It is a lot bigger with a much bigger population.
Its navy has a tactical advantage due to its location and the Persian gulf(an important oil route) would become a huge war zone.US ships could get trapped in there.
Iran has a big arsenal of missiles and a bigger army too.
Let’s try not to get into a war there.
I don’t think Trump wants war but the war mongers alongside him do.
It’s a dangerous situation and everything should be done to calm tensions.

true but there has already been quite a lot of conflict in middle-east, and for that sake i hope they make correct decisions this time, everything like you say with calm tensions

and yeah going into war with Iran is stupid, they do have a big military force so that would most likely lead to the loss of many american soldiers


also Iran might have still an anger towards US that they (even though an accident) shot down a Iran Air passenger plane under stress, some years back, the USS Vincennes as i remember correctly

[bitontheslide]

Nobody wants a war with Iran, but equally, they cannot be allowed to continue down their current path.

If America did go in to a war with Iran, it wouldn't be a conventional war. Nukes would be used, so we cannot view it in the same light as previous conflicts.

[parmnion]

I don't think it's fair to say that a man who has sat down with China and north Korea is looking to be starting wars.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Its a bit silly to dismiss any evidence, no matter how compelling, because you don't like the source

Who suggested "dismissing" evidence? I agree with you but it's also "a bit silly" to make a snap judgement based on ONE piece of evidence and without bothering to fully examine that piece of evidence.

Evidence should be weighed with a level-head and action taken with consideration and caution. Appartently, Corbyn saying that makes him "a terrorists sympathiser RrrreeeEEeehhh!!11!1!". People seem to just adore being reactionary, over-dramatic and illogical... it's a pretty worrying trend, but I don't think it's anything new really. The new and scary thing is that the "people in charge" have jumped on the same bandwagon in the last few years .

[Tom4784]

It doesn't read like he's 'supporting terrorists' to me, it just reads like he's telling people not to be rash. Plus isn't there a lot of doubt around those tanker attacks anyway? Germany doubts it, even the owner of one of the tankers doubts it was Iran.

Better to wait and see than to jump to conclusions but since it's Corbyn, people who are opposed to him will instantly use it to make out that he is supporting terrorism.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by parmnion

I don't think it's fair to say that a man who has sat down with China and north Korea is looking to be starting wars.

Every president since Nixon "sat down" with China. But trump started the trade war

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Every president since Nixon "sat down" with China. But trump started the trade war

+ Trump also insulted North Korean leader kim jong-un first, calling him ''little rocket man''

[Livia]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

So we should just ignore all the other times that Corbyn has supported terrorists before believing others on countless occasions and assume he is genuine this time?

That's about the size of it.

Every time he supports a terrorist or a terrorist regime, we have to give him the benefit of the doubt and discount all the other evidence.