[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

There's actual rape cases being over looked because of false claims? No there is not, don't be ridiculous. Actual rape claims are most times not reported because conviction rates are so low and it's so hard to prove and when it can't be proven the girl is called a liar and all the poor men start thanking the Lord they're not single because no doubt all these crazy women would have them arrested for touching their arm, don't you know. .

I know conviction rate was low ,but you seem so defensive over false accusations like you don't want to acknowledge that it happens?.
when the problem we have is now with the #Metoo movement People HAVE been wrongly accused or automatically seen as "guilty" without evidence. And once something has been said then that's it .

It's a messed up society ,because real predators & rapists get away with it or only get a light sentence in prison.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I know conviction rate was low ,but you seem so defensive over false accusations like you don't want to acknowledge that it happens?.

when the problem we have is now with the #Metoo movement People HAVE been wrongly accused or automatically seen as "guilty" without evidence. And once something has been said then that's it .



It's a messed up society ,because real predators & rapists get away with it or only get a light sentence in prison.

Yes I am defensive over it because it really really bothers me that low conviction rates are blamed on women falsely crying rape/sexual harassment, always the ****ing women's fault isn't it? Yes that makes me angry, why wouldn't it? The question is why doesn't it make you angry? It should.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I know conviction rate was low ,but you seem so defensive over false accusations like you don't want to acknowledge that it happens?.
when the problem we have is now with the #Metoo movement People HAVE been wrongly accused or automatically seen as "guilty" without evidence. And once something has been said then that's it .

It's a messed up society ,because real predators & rapists get away with it or only get a light sentence in prison.

rapists these days are very sneaky, it feels like such a big injustice scum like that get away with it, while honestly they deserve a long sentence in prison

and when they get away with it they can do it again and again and again without punishments

[Vicky.]

like you don't want to acknowledge that it happens?.

Of course it happens. It just does not happen anywhere near the amount that MRA types will claim it does. Its impossible to have a conversation about rape/sexual assault/harassment without someone popping up to remind us false accusations exist (and that there are loads of them apparently) and that sometimes (even rarer..but made out to be common again) women rape/sexually abuse too, and of course..that not ALL men rape people! Along with the ridiculous wails of 'we cannot even look at women these days without being accused of sexual harassment'

Just gets tiring and boring after a while, seeing exactly the same sequence go down time and time again. So yeah, it annoys people and makes them angry. What also makes people angry, is the actual stats on sexual assault/rape. And how often the abusers get away with it. But still, we must think of the 2 men per year that get took to court with false accusations, over the thousands of victims of actual abuse.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yes I am defensive over it because it really really bothers me that low conviction rates are blamed on women falsely crying rape/sexual harassment, always the ****ing women's fault isn't it? Yes that makes me angry, why wouldn't it? The question is why doesn't it make you angry? It should.

Once again You misunderstood my entire post .

I acknowlede Low conviction & injustice when real sexual predators get away with it , I think that makes all of us angry.

Yet you don't want to admit that false reports still happen? , why is it always battle of the sexes with blame? .

When exactly was I blaming all women?. Bare in mind I'm a woman myself

[Vicky.]

Would love to see where niamh said false reports do not happen.

Its a 'battle of the sexes with blame' as stats tell us that its..a battle of the sexes, given 98% of sexual abuse is committed by males. If it was 50/50 or something yet all that got spoke of was males abusing then I would take your point. But its nowhere near that.

Edit. Anyway, done this dance before many times and CBA as it goes in circles. Not even sure why I replied tbh. But won't be replying to the 'women do it too!' or whatever comes next.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Once again You misunderstood my entire post .



I acknowlede Low conviction & injustice when real sexual predators get away with it , I think that makes all of us angry.



Yet you don't want to admit that false reports still happen? , why is it always battle of the sexes with blame? .



When exactly was I blaming all women?. Bare in mind I'm a woman myself

Yes you are a woman, you should know better. But yeah what Vicky said, I'll leave you to it, poor men etc

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Would love to see where niamh said false reports do not happen.

Its a 'battle of the sexes with blame' as stats tell us that its..a battle of the sexes, given 98% of sexual abuse is committed by males. If it was 50/50 or something yet all that got spoke of was males abusing then I would take your point. But its nowhere near that.

Because it sounded like I'm not allowed to mention that there's people abusing the #Metoo movement ? . But at the same time real abuse gets missed.

I can't see where Cuba Gooding groped the woman? ,the footage is potato quality ,but all I see is a knee touch and the other guy is actually being affectionate towards Gooding .

I've seen videos of fans crossing the line & getting too touchy feely with celebrities .

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yes you are a woman, you should know better. But yeah what Vicky said, I'll leave you to it, poor men etc

I "should know better"? , anyone would think it was my fault as I'm being told off by a head teacher wow

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

all I see is a knee touch and the other guy is actually being affectionate towards Gooding .

That's not affection in my opinion, it looks like fairly clear lowkey aggression / dominance assertion behaviour and I think if you could hear the exchange it would be very "tense".

IMO what happened is, the woman approached Gooding as a fan and had no problem with the encounter. The man who was with her DID have a problem with the encounter (jealousy, generally being an arsehole, etc.) and has said something at the time and then this has blown up from that point into her saying she was groped / assaulted in an effort to appease her controlling companion.

That's a lot of guesswork but it's the basics of what I can see in that video: She comes over enthusiastically, he engages with her briefly, there's no sign of discomfort or of there being a problem, and then a (drunk looking, IMO) male appears from the sidelines and behaves in that passive-aggressive drunken attempt at intimidation that I'm sure anyone who has ever spent much time in a bar or club knows all too well.

Because that's the uncomfortable truth about the VAST MAJORITY of false sexual assault allegations that do exist. The false report is made because a boyfriend or partner has discovered something that happened consensually, and the woman has claimed that there wasn't consent out of fear of what an aggressive and dominating partner will do if they find out the truth.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah can i grab a tit or not, minefield!

Maybe i’m being blind but I honestly did not see him grab a tit in that vid.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

You'd get arrested just for looking at someone "the wrong way"

I was joking when I responded to you with "can't even breathe without being accused of rape" but it seems I had it bang on.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Maybe i’m being blind but I honestly did not see him grab a tit in that vid.

Neither did I

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Maybe i’m being blind but I honestly did not see him grab a tit in that vid.

I was referring to your comment about how you're glad you're not single because no doubt you'll get accused of all sorts. Like women are constantly accusing men who chat them up of sexual harassment, it would be like me coming in here saying "I'm glad I'm not single, these days you're libel to be raped if you even say hi to a man". . .

[Ammi]

...(..from the vid...)...his hand definitely went to the area of her breast, it did look as though he may have touched her ..but when he withdrew his hand, he was holding her hand so looked more as if he was taking her hand, which he then kissed...it could have been though that he also did touch her breast...its so difficult without audio as well...

[bitontheslide]

well, what i saw was a guy fondling the inside of her upper thigh, when she batted his hand away from there he went to her breast.

[Ammi]

...I have no idea why he would touch her at all to speak to her...why the necessity to put a hand on her thigh or anywhere else to enable him to have a conversation or whatever...I don’t though see on any of the vids..(..some are a little longer..)...where she pushed his hand away from her thigh...

[Ammi]

...why do (some) males feel the need for physical contact when talking to a female ...like the woman can’t hear them unless she’s being touched...

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...why do (some) males feel the need for physical contact when talking to a female ...like the woman can’t hear them unless she’s being touched...

i don't honestly know how anyone can defend after that video

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i don't honestly know how anyone can defend after that video

...I’m not defending..?...I’m trying to access the vid from how blurry it is and saying what I see...you feel that’s the wrong thing for me to do somehow...?..

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...I’m not defending..?...I’m trying to access the vid from how blurry it is and saying what I see...you feel that’s the wrong thing for me to do somehow...?..

i'm not saying you are defending it .... just that some are

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i'm not saying you are defending it .... just that some are

...I guess because the allegation seems to specifically be her breast being touched ..whereas her thigh obviously was..(..this is starting to sound a bit like which part of the chicken do you prefer eeek..)..that’s impossible to see from the angle being shown as he reaches his hand out toward her breast but then takes her hand which was also in that area...so did he touch her breast as well is I would say, uncertain...and that’s apparently the allegation...

[Ammi]

..the DM is reporting...


A second woman has reported him for allegedly grabbing her buttocks in a separate case

...not at the same club on the same night...

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...why do (some) males feel the need for physical contact when talking to a female ...like the woman can’t hear them unless she’s being touched...

Yup, entirely the issue in many cases. They wouldn't do it to a bloke, yet do it with women. I have found this a lot, especially when sitting down talking, random men feel the need to lay their hand on my inner thigh (tends to be in breast area if standing up, or resting hand on arse) or whatever 'to have a conversation'..from my experience, older men are more likely to do this but I am sure its the same across the board.

Now, unless it happened repeatedly when I had said to stop touching me (which I almost always say..which often turns the man quite..aggressive) I would not personally class it as sexual assault or anything, but I can see why some women do, as its so unnecessary and ****ing common as hell, and as I said they wouldn't dream of dong it to other men (or most of them wouldn't) and really, it needs to end. I can understand the touches and stuff if you are in a flirting situation and its reciprocated, but it tends not to be that at all..its just default, to bloody stroke a woman you are talking to, or touch their legs, hell I have even had job interviews where instead of a handshake at the end, the guy wants a hug! Its..ridiculous and I really don't think a lot of men know quite how common it is for women. Hence thinking its an overreaction, when it could be the 4th bloke that day thats done it! As I said, I almost always tell them to stop..only times I haven't have been when its been bosses and I wanted to keep my job, and the men get defensive 'touching your leg is not like raping you or something', aggressive 'I am only touching your leg, could be much ****ing worse', paranoid 'oh so you are going to report me for sexual assault for just touching your leg..or abusive 'you are an ugly twat anyway, I was just being nice'. All of these are actual reactions I have had from men when I ask them to stop touching me. Nicely too..I am always polite..though maybe shouldn't be..until they ignore it and keep doing it, at which stage I become less 'nice'.

It was 100x worse when I was pregnant, for people randomly touching me. Men I knew thinking its fine to grab my tits and say how they have obviosuly grown a lot Not, with friends, I didn't mind that much, but this was just like..random guys I vaguely knew. Or they would start pervy conversations about how theres nothing sexier than a pregnant woman, how they wanted to be breastfed, etxc. It was unbelievable really. Also, thats when the touching from random women started, old ladies coming up to me in the street to stroke my belly and ask when I am due, etc. I get that a lot of the times its trying to be nice..BUT..women are not ****ing public property, even when pregnant.

Rant over

[LeatherTrumpet]

another woman looking for money at the expense of women who do get abused

disgusting greed