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17-06-2019, 08:17 AM | #51 | ||
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This despite there being video proof that he did actually touch her, though its not quite as clear if he touched her breast, but his hands were in that general area so of course its possible.
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17-06-2019, 08:24 AM | #52 | |||
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...I think for me it’s obvious why the allegations against him...whether they’re found to be true or not...(..because it’s impossible to see from the vids shown online...)...he did (unnecessarily) laid his hands on her and could have touched her breast...and again, it’s why (..some..)..men feel the need to do this...don’t touch and there will be no doubt or question I guess is the moral of the story...
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17-06-2019, 08:31 AM | #53 | |||
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17-06-2019, 08:33 AM | #54 | ||
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And this means its fine to touch the thigh/breast of a random woman? Just because you are a touchy feely person who..well touches everyone wether they want it or not?
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17-06-2019, 08:35 AM | #55 | |||
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just wasting court time and all she wants is to be paid off cynical disgusting money money money |
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17-06-2019, 08:40 AM | #56 | |||
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...hopefully this sort of thing being highlighted as it’s being with this ambiguous allegation...will help (some) Male mindsets into realising how important it is to keep their bodies within their own personal space and not touch someone unless and until that person invites it...
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17-06-2019, 09:07 AM | #57 | ||
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Anyway, leaving again. Kind of kicking myself for replying again when I said I would stay away. As these always just go one way, and its a way that makes me rage a bit so best to not be involved Edit. Though.. There is a point on the video where it does look to me that he could have touched her tit. Video quality is bad, as is the angle mind, but yeah, its possible from watching it.
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17-06-2019, 09:10 AM | #58 | ||
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So while I don't think he was deliberately being a pervert or trying to grope her, I agree with the general message that people should just stop being so damned "handsy" all the time. I've even noticed it a few times watching things like Graham Norton... a male guest putting their hand on a female guest's knee while they're talking. Obviously they don't mean anything by it but often the other person looks clearly uncomfortable, and I have no idea how people can be so unaware that they would miss that?? |
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17-06-2019, 09:12 AM | #59 | ||
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17-06-2019, 09:15 AM | #60 | |||
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You have zero clue if someone is uncomfortable, dont project your insecurities on others and then play it as fact |
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17-06-2019, 09:18 AM | #61 | |||
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..I do understand your ‘rants’ Vicky.....I mean I completely understand them and not just because of any personal experiences you’ve said...it’s so, so often been said how ‘women should keep themselves safe’...how they shouldn’t wear certain things or go certain places or say certain things or act certain ways...or etc etc...?...all of the things that are listed that make them vulnerable apparently to (some) males...but when it’s the reverse like this is of him ‘placing himself in a vulnerable situation by touching her at all..’...it’s all about the money honey and her, her, her...can’t win for can’t winning...
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17-06-2019, 09:24 AM | #62 | ||
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17-06-2019, 09:27 AM | #63 | |||
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"Cuba Gooding Jr's lawyer says more than two hours of video surveillance from inside a New York bar shows the woman who has accused Gooding of drunkenly groping her breast was "stalking" Gooding and his girlfriend all night."
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17-06-2019, 09:28 AM | #64 | ||
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The point is that it's irrelevant whether or not one person is comfortable with it or not; if the people aren't established friends who know each other's boundaries then the person engaging in the physical contact has NO IDEA whether or not the other person will be comfortable. It's a coin toss. Plenty of people are fine with it, but that isn't a reason to think that everyone is fine with it or SHOULD be fine with it, and if you take the gamble of entering a stranger's personal space then you can't be surprised if the reaction isn't a good one. It's over-familiar. I can't fathom why anyone would take issue with the idea that people should get to know each other and their boundaries before getting touchy?
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17-06-2019, 09:31 AM | #65 | ||
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17-06-2019, 09:31 AM | #66 | |||
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So he was quietly sitting having a drink with his gf and some drunk woman rocks up uninvited ans almost sits on his gf's lap and he thinks great now i can grope her and no one will notice?
i mean do i need to go on?? |
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17-06-2019, 09:33 AM | #67 | |||
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Someone back along the thread (maybe two people actually) said that this kind of thing interferes with "real" victims getting justice but I have to ask, when is there ever a real victim?? Honestly I have never (that I can recall) saw any stories like these or of rape accusations being taken seriously on here, not a single one jumps to mind. So they were all liars then? That doesn't seem likely imo
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17-06-2019, 09:34 AM | #68 | |||
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...so I guess she will have forced him to touch her thigh and to take her hand and possible touch her breast...the ‘two hours’ will show that sHE MADe him do those things and MADE him assume it was okay to lay his hands on her in any familiarity way whatsoever...sadly that real issue which (some) me do, do with women will be brushed aside and not treated with the seriousness it should be...
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17-06-2019, 09:35 AM | #69 | |||
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...#metoo...?...no for goodness sake...’we make the rules for ourselves and for you too..’...
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17-06-2019, 09:36 AM | #70 | |||
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17-06-2019, 09:42 AM | #71 | |||
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this is now turned into ''lets shove the lady from victim into the bad person scenario''
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17-06-2019, 09:42 AM | #72 | |||
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...(..if he’s guilty of what he’s being accused of..)...then not touching someone inappropriately means even when it’s a fan or etc...inappropriate remains inappropriate...
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17-06-2019, 09:44 AM | #73 | |||
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17-06-2019, 09:46 AM | #74 | |||
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these injustices make me sympathize with women more and more
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17-06-2019, 09:47 AM | #75 | ||
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...it has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not it was appropriate for him to touch her thigh as he (wuite clearly IMO) does in the video? AND I'm not even saying that his intent was to cause offense or make her uncomfortable or even necessarily "being a perv" or anything like that and I also don't think this is an example of someone who should now be "cancelled" or face prosecution... ...what it IS, though, is an opportunity to shine a light on what is a very real problem - people not realising that they should keep their hands to themselves. That's all that needs to happen! Some sort of acknowledgement that it's a good idea to respect other people's personal space. And an acknowledgement that while [obligatory appeasement] there are plenty of examples of people invading each other's space... there IS a larger problem with males (especially older males) putting their hands round waists / on legs etc. uninvited. Is it because they don't realise? Is it because they're from "another time" where that was just the norm? Maybe, but I'm inclined to think that "back when it was the norm" it was simply less common for people to admit that it made them uncomfortable, rather than it NOT making them uncomfortable, and now that many people DO admit that over-familiar touch makes them uncomfortable the only sensible and respectable thing for people to do going forward is to stop doing it. WHY is there a backlash against that? I genuinely don't get it. " I'm not allowed to touch strangers on the knee any more and that's my fave!" . |
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