[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

So unless people have a masters degree they're never going to understand what gender is?

Obviously they're never going to understand it on the same level as someone who has a masters degree... but there's a pretty huge gap between;

"pfft gender is just a personality type" and "5-years of in depth full time study"


It's like saying the only two options for an understanding of linguistics is "It's words n stuff" vs "Multi-linguist with a PhD". It's obviously possible to have a basic understanding of something, even quite an in-depth grasp of something, without ignoring the fact that it's multi layered and hugely complex?

[Liam-]

But why was the kid filming? I reckon he had said something before he got his phone to record that made the situation escalate, I wonder what it was

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Liam-

But why was the kid filming? I reckon he had said something before he got his phone to record that made the situation escalate, I wonder what it was

he got removed from class into another area where the debate continued

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Liam-

But why was the kid filming? I reckon he had said something before he got his phone to record that made the situation escalate, I wonder what it was

The recording is only after being kicked out of the class, so obviously he started filming to catch how the teacher would (or wouldn't) be able to justify removing him. I guess the important thing to remember there though is that only one of the two of them know it's being recorded and is moderating themself with that in mind. We don't know what his wording / tone was like in the classroom before he started recording. So while he makes it sound like it was a reasonable debate in the recording, it's feasible that he was being obviously flippant / insensitive about gender issues before the camera was rolling.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Obviously they're never going to understand it on the same level as someone who has a masters degree... but there's a pretty huge gap between;

"pfft gender is just a personality type" and "5-years of in depth full time study"


It's like saying the only two options for an understanding of linguistics is "It's words n stuff" vs "Multi-linguist with a PhD". It's obviously possible to have a basic understanding of something, even quite an in-depth grasp of something, without ignoring the fact that it's multi layered and hugely complex?

Ok but tell me what differentiates certain genders from others then, can you give me examples? Like I'm not a doctor or a biologist but I have a pretty clear understanding about what Sex is and what the differences between them are. I'm really struggling to get what is different between genders other than personality types/likes and dislikes etc.

[Elliot]

there are two sexes and not one person will say otherwise, gender is very different tho and science is on the side of people that contest there aren't just 2 genders

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The recording is only after being kicked out of the class, so obviously he started filming to catch how the teacher would (or wouldn't) be able to justify removing him. I guess the important thing to remember there though is that only one of the two of them know it's being recorded and is moderating themself with that in mind. We don't know what his wording / tone was like in the classroom before he started recording. So while he makes it sound like it was a reasonable debate in the recording, it's feasible that he was being obviously flippant / insensitive about gender issues before the camera was rolling.

I think that’s a more likely story than he was kicked out for having an opinion, he was probably being a little **** and causing trouble during a sensitive lesson, got kicked out but decided to try and make himself look like a victim of ‘the authority’ who was having his voice silenced, imo anyway

[Matthew.]

The video says that he got chucked out of class for arguing with the teacher

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The recording is only after being kicked out of the class, so obviously he started filming to catch how the teacher would (or wouldn't) be able to justify removing him. I guess the important thing to remember there though is that only one of the two of them know it's being recorded and is moderating themself with that in mind. We don't know what his wording / tone was like in the classroom before he started recording. So while he makes it sound like it was a reasonable debate in the recording, it's feasible that he was being obviously flippant / insensitive about gender issues before the camera was rolling.

...he could have also been targeting/specific of an individual or individual pupils...hence ‘this is an inclusive school’ type comments...which is why it’s impossible to say whether he was ‘kicked out for saying ************’ when we don’t know what ************ actually is...

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Liam-

I think that’s a more likely story than he was kicked out for having an opinion, he was probably being a little **** and causing trouble during a sensitive lesson, got kicked out but decided to try and make himself look like a victim of ‘the authority’ who was having his voice silenced, imo anyway

...he could have been mocking../..ridiculing another or other students...

[LeatherTrumpet]

It sounded like a teacher doing a topic he dislikes, wanting to get through it and not wanting to debate out a topic he could care less about. The lad was even tempered and calm, the teacher was angry and not very nice

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

It sounded like a teacher doing a topic he dislikes, wanting to get through it and not wanting to debate out a topic he could care less about. The lad was even tempered and calm, the teacher was angry and not very nice

Seriously?

[Ammi]

..I guess it’s easy to be even tempered and calm when you know you’re recording yourself ....

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...he could have been mocking../..ridiculing another or other students...

Exactly! Seems like it could be another case of a troublemaker taking advantage of the current social climate and arguments to me

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Seriously?

yes his language was "this is the syllabus and its this opinion or nowt" sort of saying "im told to tell you this opinion and just bloody well listen so i can tick a box and move on"

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

yes his language was "this is the syllabus and its this opinion or nowt" sort of saying "im told to tell you this opinion and just bloody well listen so i can tick a box and move on"

Could care less?

[arista]

Murray is a Scottish Trouble maker

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

yes his language was "this is the syllabus and its this opinion or nowt" sort of saying "im told to tell you this opinion and just bloody well listen so i can tick a box and move on"

I think Neem was referring to your americanised use of could rather than the traditional couldn't

[arista]

Originally Posted by Liam-

But why was the kid filming? I reckon he had said something before he got his phone to record that made the situation escalate, I wonder what it was

He wants to a Job
in the Media.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Could care less?

yes i am suggesting he thinks its all bolloxio and in the old days he would not have to bother with such stuff, that the teacher thinks its all PC gorn mad stuff

he may not think that but to me that is how it comes across and the lad probably knows this and is pulling his chain for some giggles to a degree

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

I think Neem was referring to your americanised use of could rather than the traditional couldn't

ah yes I am using the Americanised term, welp

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Exactly! Seems like it could be another case of a troublemaker taking advantage of the current social climate and arguments to me

...It’s that ‘everyone is entitled to their opinion’ thing really when the opinion...(..if it was a prejudiced opinion for instance..)...wouldn’t come without consequences within the school rules and social acceptability...’his opinion’ is what he kept saying but we don’t know why the tutor found it unacceptable and the consequence was him being removed from class...which could have been for very good reason...

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

I think Neem was referring to your americanised use of could rather than the traditional couldn't

Thank you BOTS

[Ammi]

...I don’t think the tutor had great command of the situation though...but we don’t know if any aggression/hostility was previously shown either...

[LeatherTrumpet]

if the teacher had simply known that the pupil meant Sex and that Sex and gender are two separate things none of this happens

teachers fault