[Tom4784]

Glad he's been suspended, don't know how anyone could watch that video and defend him. He had no reason to assume that she was armed or a threat so that excuse is pure bull****. The video speaks for itself. She was just walking past and he grabbed her.

[armand.kay]

people are really defending this behaviour omg...

[sleleen]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

people are really defending this behaviour omg...

yeah its embarrasing

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by King Gizzard

Sack him and take him to court, that’s assault. This “she might have had a weapon” bull**** doesn’t stick, he wouldn’t have approached her if he knew she had a weapon he’d have cowered away like the coward he is. Interesting to see the right defending this but when there’s milkshake involved against those two ***** they’re all crying

I 100% agree with you, 100%, totally right in all you say.

Very well expressed too.
She says she isn't going to the police, wish I could talk to her as I'd do all I could to change her mind on that.

He should be in trouble anywsy for assaulting someone where they were.
It wasn't his property after all.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I 100% agree with you, 100%, totally right in all you say.

Very well expressed too.
She says she isn't going to the police, wish I could talk to her as I'd do all I could to change her mind on that.

He should be in trouble anywsy for assaulting someone where they were.
It wasn't his property after all.

Yeah good point Joey, it wasn't his property she was on and she wasn't walking towards anyone so saying it some sort of defense shouldn't stand up either

[bitontheslide]

They can't afford to let him off for this. Obviously it's up to the police if there is a criminal charge, but he should at least be expelled from the conservative party

[arista]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah good point Joey, it wasn't his property she was on and she wasn't walking towards anyone so saying it some sort of defense shouldn't stand up either

She was with a group that invaded via a side door
He stopped her getting near to the Chancellor
A door Alarm went off
He knew she was Trouble.

[arista]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

They can't afford to let him off for this. Obviously it's up to the police if there is a criminal charge, but he should at least be expelled from the conservative party

No Way

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by arista

She was with a group that invaded via a side door
He stopped her getting near to the Chancellor
A door Alarm went off
He knew she was Trouble.

It's not his place to act as a security guard

[arista]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

It's not his place to act as a security guard

As a MP
he thought it was correct to stop the
Left Wing Greenpeace Protester.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by sleleen

yeah its embarrasing

Well yes there are always people who see things differently that is how the world works.....

Personally I don't think he will survive this, but having listened to people on the other side defending his actions, I can sort of see a little of where they are coming from with regard to the security issue and the personal safety of the people there, you have to listen to both sides to have a fully informed view otherwise we are just all nodding dogs

[Matthew.]

This is not on

[Matthew.]

And let’s not pretend that he’d be getting this amount of praise in this thread if he was Diane Abbott

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

the poor lady looked quite scared how he grabbed her and shoved her against that pillar

She's a lightweight protestor..she should have fought back for what she believes in instead of wimping out like a shrinking violet.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

She's a lightweight protestor..she should have fought back for what she believes in instead of wimping out like a shrinking violet.

Oddly enough, many women do not stand up against men who randomly attack them, for whatever reason. I cannot imagine why, its not like male violence has the potential to escalate when someone retaliates or anything.

Didn't take long for the 'she should have reacted differently' though. I guess thats the next line of defence once 'he was scared' is chucked out because people have eyes and can watch it themselves..

[Tom4784]

Maybe he did what he did because he feared she was armed with a milkshake. Manhandling someone is a-okay as long as you're a right wing politcian but throwing milkshake over them is akin to a murder attempt it seems.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Maybe he did what he did because he feared she was armed with a milkshake. Manhandling someone is a-okay as long as you're a right wing politcian but throwing milkshake over them is akin to a murder attempt it seems.

[MTVN]

A Labour MP in 2010 was stabbed by an innocuous looking 21 year old woman. Just because she doesn't look like she'd be armed or violent is no guarantee that she isn't. I don't really get why these cases always lead to endless 'what if' scenarios either or why there's endless comparisons about how people have reacted to other different incidents none of which is very relevant

Actually the woman in questions reaction has been pretty calm - she says she doesn't want to press charges and doesn't feel she was assaulted but she recommends that he gets anger management classes

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by MTVN

A Labour MP in 2010 was stabbed by an innocuous looking 21 year old woman. Just because she doesn't look like she'd be armed or violent is no guarantee that she isn't. I don't really get why these cases always lead to endless 'what if' scenarios either or why there's endless comparisons about how people have reacted to other different incidents none of which is very relevant

Actually the woman in questions reaction has been pretty calm - she says she doesn't want to press charges and doesn't feel she was assaulted but she recommends that he gets anger management classes

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by MTVN

A Labour MP in 2010 was stabbed by an innocuous looking 21 year old woman. Just because she doesn't look like she'd be armed or violent is no guarantee that she isn't. I don't really get why these cases always lead to endless 'what if' scenarios either or why there's endless comparisons about how people have reacted to other different incidents none of which is very relevant

Actually the woman in questions reaction has been pretty calm - she says she doesn't want to press charges and doesn't feel she was assaulted but she recommends that he gets anger management classes

I agree with this.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Maybe he did what he did because he feared she was armed with a milkshake. Manhandling someone is a-okay as long as you're a right wing politcian but throwing milkshake over them is akin to a murder attempt it seems.

If he did do it for that then imo that was a fair and reasonable reaction.

[Vicky.]

Matt, I would take that explanation IF he had seemed like..worried or unsure, rather than raging mad. Her was not hesitant in the slightest which you would be if you even thought it was possible someone was armed. There were security scanners also. I actually find it really sad that people seem to be using endless excuses to make out a guy who randomly attacked a woman was in 'self defense' or whatever, when the video kind of shows..it clearly was not.

Anything to excuse violence against women though, or even blame it on the woman. Twas ever thus.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Matt, I would take that explanation IF he had seemed like..worried or unsure, rather than raging mad. Her was not hesitant in the slightest which you would be if you even thought it was possible someone was armed. There were security scanners also. I actually find it really sad that people seem to be using endless excuses to make out a guy who randomly attacked a woman was in 'self defense' or whatever, when the video kind of shows..it clearly was not.

Anything to excuse violence against women though, or even blame it on the woman. Twas ever thus.

I get that but there's no single way to react to what might be a threat, some people do react with anger in those circumstances rather than quivering fear or uncertainty. Given that numerous protestors were able to enter a room full of quite powerful and important people and roam freely suggests security was not particularly hot so there's no reason to assume it was impossible to get a weapon in

I'm not defending him but I think there's room for some understanding of the situation but it seems unless you get all angry and call him an evil Tory scumbag etc then you support violence against women so..

[Sticks]

I think this incident shows that his talents were wasted in the foreign office - he should be made Chief Whip to, as Francis Urquhart would say, "put a bit of stick about" then we might get the withdrawal agreement passed...

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Maybe he did what he did because he feared she was armed with a milkshake. Manhandling someone is a-okay as long as you're a right wing politcian but throwing milkshake over them is akin to a murder attempt it seems.

like the first line adding humour.

I find it unbelievable.
The woman isn't calm.
She's just stated she isn't going to press charges.

A colleague of hers said earlier today, the lady was shaken up by it.

All being passed over to try to soften the seriousness of an unprovoked assault on a woman by a man.

Good grief, if Corbyn or one of his MPs had done this.
The anger on here against him and also lumping in the whole Labour movement, by the rabid right, would likely cause overload to the site.