[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I think we're in a pretty dire situation if our criteria for leader of the nation is "he hasn't broken any laws per se".

We are having one or the other, like I said before its not exactly a great choice, I think my problem with your post was it was immediately the man who was the abuser, which taking away the people involved and based on the information we have is wrong, because it could have been either of them

[Livia]

Neighbours recording a domestic fight through the wall, and the Guardian buys it.

Who would be an MP, eh? People spy on people, record them through a wall and other people lap it up like the salacious gossip it is.

[Twosugars]

Somebody getting attacked next door.
No, I shouldn't call the police bc I'd be accused of salacious gossip

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Livia

Neighbours recording a domestic fight through the wall, and the Guardian buys it.

Who would be an MP, eh? People spy on people, record them through a wall and other people lap it up like the salacious gossip it is.

Got it in one Livia ,people thinking they know what happened ,they don't, but still condemn someone they don't like

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Somebody getting attacked next door.
No, I shouldn't call the police bc I'd be accused of salacious gossip

No one was attacked as far as we know, no need for the over dramatics

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

No one was attacked as far as we know, no need for the over dramatics

Attacked... lol... how these things get embellished.

[Twosugars]

Theres this unbelievable phenomenon best illustrated by Christian evangelicals voting an masse for con and adulterer trump in America where people put aside all values they cherish in hope of achieving their political ends.
Over here it seems to be going the same way. People abandoning any moral standards by which they normally judge others bc they want Brexit so much they'd let satan himself deliver it.
And they tie themselves in knots to justify it.
And so Johnson (judged as best able to deliver it) can do no wrong. It'll be always someone else's fault.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

No one was attacked as far as we know, no need for the over dramatics

She shouted get off me and get out of my flat, repeatedly.
I guess she was being overly dramatic? Women eh, Kazanne

[Livia]

Same as the milkshake throwers then, being justified in what they're doing.

And the Left's connections with terrorist groups... justified.

One side is no worse than the other here, despite all the bleating.

[Twosugars]

I never defended Corbyn's links. Tho I did laugh at milkshakes. Hardly the same

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Livia

One side is no worse than the other here, despite all the bleating.

Are you then finally agreeing that Johnson's actions are inexcusable?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

I never defended Corbyn's links. Tho I did laugh at milkshakes. Hardly the same

No, not the same at all.... one was an actual assault. The other is someone saying "get off me" through a wall. He could have been trying to hug her, but you seem to have anticipated the last page when most people are still on chapter 1. So as you say to so many people... you go on.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Are you then finally agreeing that Johnson's actions are inexcusable?

I don't know. All I've seen is something recorded through a wall by a neighbour and a few out of context phrases. I know as much as you about this... virtually nothing.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Livia

No, not the same at all.... one was an actual assault. The other is someone saying "get off me" through a wall. He could have been trying to hug her, but you seem to have anticipated the last page when most people are still on chapter 1. So as you say to so many people... you go on.

And get out of my flat was an invite to an outdoor bonk?

Ok

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

And get out of my flat was an invite to an outdoor bonk?

Ok

I'm still in the honeymoon period with my husband, But my first husband and I had some very lively rows and I'm sure I'm not alone. I'm also sure that my husband and I have lots of fights to look forward to. We all fight. We all say stupid stuff we don't mean, "I could kill you!" for instance. The difference is we don't have neighbours recording it through a wall.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Livia

We all say stupid stuff we don't mean, "I could kill you!" for instance.

Sorry Livia but while I agree that everyone argues (me and my wife have had some epics), and everyone says things they regret in arguments, I can quite confidently say that I never have and never would threaten to physically hurt or kill a partner and I'm very dubious that we should be accepting or normalizing that. Also violence (which includes throwing or smashing objects / punching walls etc.) should never be seen as a normal part of "just couples arguing".

[Withano]

Boris Johnson refuses to accept his girlfriend telling him “leave means leave” lel

Boris Johnson refuses to accept his girlfriend telling him “leave means leave”

Boris Johnson kicked out by girlfriend
Boris Johnson has today spoken out to insist that “leave means leave” is no way an explicit instruction to anyone.

After hearing the word leave screamed at him several times while at home with his girlfriend, Johnson insisted that the term is open to interpretation and anyone screaming “leave!” could also have meant they secretly want him to remain.

“Circumstances change, and though the word ‘leave’ might have been used, I have no doubt that in the cold light of day she will have changed her mind,” explained Boris’s spokesperson, Simon Williams.

“Sometimes people say ‘Leave’ in the heat of the moment, or because they’ve got the wrong end of the stick about a particular issue – it would be foolhardy to make life-affecting decisions in such circumstances.

[joeysteele]

This was late at night.
Loud enough to be heard next door.

It maybe can be questioned re the recording but had anything happened bad.
At least recorded was some build up to it.

If someone played noisy music, they'd get into bother.
I see no reason why loudly arguing couples shouldn't either.

To be told to tone it down at least.
If any children could hear people arguing, that's unacceptable.

All very well to argue but to have it spill over that others hear it or get woken by it.
That's unacceptable.

Highly ignorant of couples thinking that others need to have to hear their arguing too.
Especially around midnight to the early hours too.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Sorry Livia but while I agree that everyone argues (me and my wife have had some epics), and everyone says things they regret in arguments, I can quite confidently say that I never have and never would threaten to physically hurt or kill a partner and I'm very dubious that we should be accepting or normalizing that. Also violence (which includes throwing or smashing objects / punching walls etc.) should never be seen as a normal part of "just couples arguing".

I agree.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Withano

Boris Johnson refuses to accept his girlfriend telling him “leave means leave” lel

‘No is open to interpretation, sometimes no means yes and they just don’t know it’

[Liam-]

Looks like where heading to another age of powerful men telling women what they actually mean and think, because women clearly don’t know what they’re saying

[Cherie]

Is the recording of this available, has the Guardian released it, I would be interested to hear it

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Livia

I'm still in the honeymoon period with my husband, But my first husband and I had some very lively rows and I'm sure I'm not alone. I'm also sure that my husband and I have lots of fights to look forward to. We all fight. We all say stupid stuff we don't mean, "I could kill you!" for instance. The difference is we don't have neighbours recording it through a wall.

I can well believe you're feisty
And I agree with you re couples rowing.
She's still with him so they must have patched it up whatever it was.
But...
This guy deserves extra scrutiny. He is someone who's made a career of lying and manipulating. He was sacked twice for lying. He tried to hire someone to beat up his colleague.
And now he's about to become a PM. Enough is enough. As his girlfriend said he's spoilt and knows value of nothing. Time to take responsibility for his words and actions.

[Tom4784]

If this was Jeremy Corbyn or Diane Abbot, a lot of the people in this thread dismissing the story would be calling for their heads.

That being said, It's a difficult story to judge since we don't know the context without the recording. There's definitely troublesome aspects to the story though but I'm going to wait until the recording is available to form a real opinion on it. If it's as it's said in the article though, it paints a grim picture of him.

[Denver]

I dont think its fair to judge someones personal arguments when everyone has arguments in a relationship