[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Livia

So when police said there was nothing to answer, everyone was safe, no further action was needed. What do you think that meant?

That he's a bumbling, pushy, spoiled (like the lady said), entitled arsehole who is used to getting his own way with a big, fat, smug smile plastered across his chops, scratching his balls and guffawing about the idiots who are voting him into the position of Prime Minister.

But that none of that is criminal and his partner can handle him in their personal life.

Which is irrelevant. I'm not saying he should be arrested I'm saying we should have higher standards for Prime Minister, but we don't because we live in a dog bowl and we're apparently content there.

[Vicky.]

OK not to say that this happened here, but the police saying 'nothing to see here, move along' and claiming everyone is safe..well in DV incidents, its not always the case. My mother was nearly killed only minutes after the police were apparently satisfied that her partner was not a threat as he 'had calmed down' and they basically blamed my mother for overstating things, even though it was the neighbour who rang the police. They left, and minutes later his hands were round her throat. Similar things happened a fair few times too. She has a drink driving record because..he had started hitting her and the police had been called but did not take it seriously (were laughing with him about how 'everybody argues' While her eye was swelling up) and left her alone with him again so she got into her car even though she knew she was over the limit to get away frm him to..well stay alive. I have many stories of police being woefully inadequate in DV incidences, and believing the bloke even though he has a history of GBH and stuff :/

Obviously not claiming this happened here, but police, from my experience anyway, do not take domestic incidences too seriously and prefer to be in and straight out. So that they 'no crimed' this means not that much, hell some rapes are even no crimed these days.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

That he's a bumbling, pushy, spoiled (like the lady said), entitled arsehole who is used to getting his own way with a big, fat, smug smile plastered across his chops, scratching his balls and guffawing about the idiots who are voting him into the position of Prime Minister.

But that none of that is criminal and his partner can handle him in their personal life.

Which is irrelevant. I'm not saying he should be arrested I'm saying we should have higher standards for Prime Minister, but we don't because we live in a dog bowl and we're apparently content there.

I pretty much agree with all that, except... this particular incident has been blown out of all proportion. They were pictured holding hands over the weekend while people on here are still talking about domestic violence.

Look at the potential PMs we have waiting in the wings: we have a divisive Labour leader who openly supports terrorist groups, has a history of not dealing with antisemitism and is now maybe backing a second referendum... but not because that's what he believes. We've got Boris, over-privileged Etonian who is more famous for dangling from a zip wire or getting a women a longer sentence in Iran because he let his mouth run away with him, than for any other thing he's done in the political arena.

British politics has never been so low....

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Livia

They were pictured holding hands over the weekend while people on here are still talking about domestic violence.

Not actually seeing the relevance here? There can still have been a serious incident and they held hands soon after..

Again though, not saying screaming and shouting IS a DV incidcent. Just..have seen a fair few saying that because the police did nothing, nothing happened.

Either way, Boris will have a new house come a few weeks time so I am sure hes not arsed too much. Wonder if he will try soundproofing number 10 a bit more?

[Cherie]

Really the person we should feel sorry for in all of this is Carrie, I didn't know until earlier she was one of John Warbouys (black cab rapists) victims

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Not actually seeing the relevance here? There can still have been a serious incident and they held hands soon after..

Again though, not saying screaming and shouting IS a DV incidcent. Just..have seen a fair few saying that because the police did nothing, nothing happened.

Either way, Boris will have a new house come a few weeks time so I am sure hes not arsed too much. Wonder if he will try soundproofing number 10 a bit more?

I almost put in the disclaimer "not aimed at you, Vicky...".

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Really the person we should feel sorry for in all of this is Carrie, I didn't know until earlier she was one of John Warbouys (black cab rapists) victims

Yes and now she can't return to her home because left wing activists are protesting outside it

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Really the person we should feel sorry for in all of this is Carrie, I didn't know until earlier she was one of John Warbouys (black cab rapists) victims

I read that yesterday, poor woman

[arista]

Both having a Great Time , now


[Boris Johnson's backers have rallied to support him after police were called
to an incident at the home he shares with his girlfriend.
The support from several MPs comes as pictures emerged of Mr Johnson holding hands
with girlfriend Carrie Symonds, apparently taken in Sussex over the weekend.]

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by arista

Both having a Great Time , now


[Boris Johnson's backers have rallied to support him after police were called
to an incident at the home he shares with his girlfriend.
The support from several MPs comes as pictures emerged of Mr Johnson holding hands
with girlfriend Carrie Symonds, apparently taken in Sussex over the weekend.]

someone needs to get the mower out

[Liam-]

That picture was supposedly taken yesterday, a day after he was last seen, if that’s the case, his hair grew a good few inches overnight, Tory media wouldn’t be peddling fake news would they?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Liam-

That picture was supposedly taken yesterday, a day after he was last seen, if that’s the case, his hair grew a good few inches overnight, Tory media wouldn’t be peddling fake news would they?

Yes Valid Point Liam
Unless he washed it
and Fluffed it up

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Cherie

someone needs to get the mower out

Exactly my thoughts Cherie,

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

OK not to say that this happened here, but the police saying 'nothing to see here, move along' and claiming everyone is safe..well in DV incidents, its not always the case. My mother was nearly killed only minutes after the police were apparently satisfied that her partner was not a threat as he 'had calmed down' and they basically blamed my mother for overstating things, even though it was the neighbour who rang the police. They left, and minutes later his hands were round her throat. Similar things happened a fair few times too. She has a drink driving record because..he had started hitting her and the police had been called but did not take it seriously (were laughing with him about how 'everybody argues' While her eye was swelling up) and left her alone with him again so she got into her car even though she knew she was over the limit to get away frm him to..well stay alive. I have many stories of police being woefully inadequate in DV incidences, and believing the bloke even though he has a history of GBH and stuff :/

Obviously not claiming this happened here, but police, from my experience anyway, do not take domestic incidences too seriously and prefer to be in and straight out. So that they 'no crimed' this means not that much, hell some rapes are even no crimed these days.

Was that a while ago or recent?

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by arista

They said we could be sister and brother...thank you jarvis.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Liam-

That picture was supposedly taken yesterday, a day after he was last seen, if that’s the case, his hair grew a good few inches overnight, Tory media wouldn’t be peddling fake news would they?

Well spotted

[arista]

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Liam-

That picture was supposedly taken yesterday, a day after he was last seen, if that’s the case, his hair grew a good few inches overnight, Tory media wouldn’t be peddling fake news would they?

Very well observed Liam.
Interesting point indeed.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Was that a while ago or recent?

Ahh was about 15 years or so ago now. But from what friends say, it seems police still don't take DV all that seriously these days.

(Again, not saying this was a DV situation..)

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Cherie

someone needs to get the mower out

his hair isn't that bad

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Ahh was about 15 years or so ago now. But from what friends say, it seems police still don't take DV all that seriously these days.

(Again, not saying this was a DV situation..)

Some forces operate a better line on this than others.
However you are right, there are still problems having this taken seriously.

There are cases, where someone man or woman, has been on the receiving end of total abuse.
The police cannot do anything, if both parties maintain nothing is wrong.
Even if there was, if the abused person wants nothing done, then they can't really act on that either.

I've come across cases where the denial of anything bad happening, has gone on for a long time.
Then the point is reached where it's revealed how long it's gone on, once the abused eventually reaches the point to reveal all.
It's awful and devastating.

There is this recording on this incident so it seems there's proof there was cause for concern.
Especially too after midnight.

However she seems to have been giving verbally as much as she was getting from him.
In fact we have no record of anything he is supposed to have said on the recording.

So this is more likely harmless.
Something between themselves, which would have been better toned down so no one else heard much or anything.

Again however, the usual Johnson would have bulldozed through this and likely got laughs from his Conservative supporters.
He could have put this out the way quickly.
Instead his stance is feeding rightly or wrongly, negative speculation as to the issue.

He's just not looking genuine or trustworthy on his public or private life.
I doubt this issue will go away.

It may not however harm him at all with his Conservative membership supporters.
With the Country though, it could be a small part of making things worse for the Conservatives.

Johnson is too volatile to be a trusted or effective Party leader.
Running London as Mayor is a world away from running a Country.
None of the last 3 London mayors, are Prime Ministerial quality.
Johnson also was an at best poor Foreign secretary.


This incident just adds to the doubts as to his integrity really.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Johnson is too volatile to be a trusted or effective Party leader.

Exactly this, Joey. People keep asking why any of this is relevant and pointing out that it's his "personal life" and nothing tro do with becoming PM, but it's just as you say. It's relevant because it's ANOTHER indication (on top of the mountain we already have!) that he doesn't have the temperament or dignity to be an effective or desirable leader of a country.

[bitontheslide]

Tell me this then, why is someone being volatile a bad thing? Someone that cares about things and gets emotional, to me is going to be a much better leader than a robot.

We had a robot in May, she carried on regardless of anything happening around her. Boris at least reacts to situations around him and that makes him a much better negotiator for starters. Some people will never be happy. we tried the "strong and stable" approach, where did that get us? An almighty mess, that's where

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Tell me this then, why is someone being volatile a bad thing? Someone that cares about things and gets emotional, to me is going to be a much better leader than a robot.

We had a robot in May, she carried on regardless of anything happening around her. Boris at least reacts to situations around him and that makes him a much better negotiator for starters. Some people will never be happy. we tried the "strong and stable" approach, where did that get us? An almighty mess, that's where

I think a happy medium is probably the best place. Mind, good luck finding a politician thats a good way between the two, seems they either are overly emotional, ot sociopathic, no midway

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Tell me this then, why is someone being volatile a bad thing? Someone that cares about things and gets emotional, to me is going to be a much better leader than a robot.

We had a robot in May, she carried on regardless of anything happening around her. Boris at least reacts to situations around him and that makes him a much better negotiator for starters. Some people will never be happy. we tried the "strong and stable" approach, where did that get us? An almighty mess, that's where

The idea that you need to lose control of your emotions to be a charismatic and passionate negotiator is frankly ludicrous. It's like saying that a toddler is a good negotiator when they're throwing their sippy cup at you and wiping snot on their sleeve whilst they screech for more juice.

Also the idea that in order to "not be a robot" someone has to be "volatile" is a pretty dangerous one, too. Pettiness and unpredictability are not positive character traits and they are a DISASTER in terms of leadership quality.