[Withano]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Yeah, for actual reasons fair enough, just for the sake of it and it should be banned.

Yeah I could agree with that, never really gave it much thought before today. Does seem needless.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I agree with this, and livias post upthread too. But did not want to 'what about' in a thread about male circumscision, given I complain about whatabouts everywhere else

Yeah, 'MGM' is nothing like FGM. FGM is utterly utterly barbaric and cannot really be compared to circumscision. Mind, I do not think that parm was doing that. But I guess even terming it MGM is..comparing it in a way. As you said.

I do disagree to no downsides of circumscision though tbh. There might not be physical downsides, but I have read hundreds of accounts of blokes really pissed off and upset about their parents removing part of them without consent. So there are mental downsides it seems.

Apparently it reduces sensitivity aswell so in theory sex may be affected a bit afterwards, although a man who has always been circumcised since becoming sexually active wouldn't be able to compare it to sex without circumcision

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Apparently is reduces sensitivity aswell so in theory sex may be affected a bit afterwards, although a man who has always been circumcised since becoming sexually active wouldn't be able to compare it to sex without circumcision

Yup, have read that a fair bit and it makes sense.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I agree with this, and livias post upthread too. But did not want to 'what about' in a thread about male circumscision, given I complain about whatabouts everywhere else

Yeah, 'MGM' is nothing like FGM. FGM is utterly utterly barbaric and cannot really be compared to circumscision. Mind, I do not think that parm was doing that. But I guess even terming it MGM is..comparing it in a way. As you said.

I do disagree to no downsides of circumscision though tbh. There might not be physical downsides, but I have read hundreds of accounts of blokes really pissed off and upset about their parents removing part of them without consent. So there are mental downsides it seems.

I don't think it's really whataboutism, it's just commenting on false equivalency.

As for your last paragraph, I think that comes under the philosophy side of it, is it right for a parent to make that decision for their child? For me personally my personal take is 'meh'. It's a flap of skin that you have to pull back to wash yourself properly or it'll get infected. It's a bother more than anything. I think a lot of men who are circumcised would prefer to remain that way if they could experience the other side of it.

[LeatherTrumpet]

also the whole cleaner thing is just a common myth

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I don't think it's really whataboutism, it's just commenting on false equivalency.

As for your last paragraph, I think that comes under the philosophy side of it, is it right for a parent to make that decision for their child? For me personally my personal take is 'meh'. It's a flap of skin that you have to pull back to wash yourself properly or it'll get infected. It's a bother more than anything. I think a lot of men who are circumcised would prefer to remain that way if they could experience the other side of it.

Maybe, but I do think it should be a choice the bloke makes, not something the parents decide when they are babies. Its quite telling I think, that there seems to be a lack of adult men wanting to be circumscised..unless for actual medical problems. None just 'because'

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Maybe, but I do think it should be a choice the bloke makes, not something the parents decide when they are babies. Its quite telling I think, that there seems to be a lack of adult men wanting to be circumscised..unless for actual medical problems. None just 'because'

Probably because we'd remember the recovery as an adult I imagine it would be a worse procedure as an adult too, babies could probably recover from it quite quickly while a man might be out of commission for a few days or would be slower to move around.

I'm ultimately fine with it being the parents' choice given that circumcision doesn't really have any big health drawbacks, only positives.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Probably because we'd remember the recovery as an adult I imagine it would be a worse procedure as an adult too, babies could probably recover from it quite quickly while a man might be out of commission for a few days or would be slower to move around.

I'm ultimately fine with it being the parents' choice given that circumcision doesn't really have any big health drawbacks, only positives.

I think babies would be in as much pain and such as adults, maybe even moreso. But because they are babies, they simply won't remember it, but it will have been there. And it makes me feel a bit iffy to say that because babies don't remember painful procedures, its fine. I know thats not what you said, but thats what comes to mind when trying to think that its all ok..

[Kizzy]

Whether its for religious or cosmetic reasons essentially you are mutilating an infant. The fact it has no long term effects ( or has it? Who knows :/) is irrelevant.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I wouldn't think you could sue your parents for refusing to cut off pieces of your body. I would hope not anyway, mind some of the things that end up in court these days..you never know

He could always chose to get it done as an adult. That seems to be rare for some reason..hmm

The whole.point is they have to have it done within 8 days of birth to be proper Jews. ..That's sounds daft but I don't know the correct terminology

[Twosugars]

A perfect job for a paedo sadist I'd imagine, mutilating infants

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

A perfect job for a paedo sadist I'd imagine, mutilating infants

Or a qualified Dr to the less dramatic.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

The whole.point is they have to have it done within 8 days of birth to be proper Jews. ..That's sounds daft but I don't know the correct terminology

Where did that even come from I wonder, cutting off a piece of a baby's genitals to be more religious? What is the reasoning behind it, does anyone know?

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Where did that even come from I wonder, cutting off a piece of a baby's genitals to be more religious? What is the reasoning behind it, does anyone know?

it was a tribal thing to show that you were part of the jewish tribe and not someone who would enter a city and kill people - i think that was the initial reason

ie not something that could be faked

[smudgie]

My brother had itdone as a young child, not a great experience.
A friends son had it done when he was three, again painful and upsetting.
Both had struggled for a time before, both were excellent after a couple of weeks.
Much better to have it done as a baby I believe, less painful, less to remove, less stress.
Not sure how many boys struggle with infections or tightness

[thesheriff443]

It’s a funny old world, in which people are happy for perverts to be castrated but not for a piece of skin to be cut off.

Unless it affects you in person it’s just another white noise subject in life.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

it was a tribal thing to show that you were part of the jewish tribe and not someone who would enter a city and kill people - i think that was the initial reason

ie not something that could be faked

Erm, is this actually right?! So basically, aswell as cutting parts off your childs penis, you have to show the penis to random people to get access to a city?

I have seen/rad some disgusting accounts of circumscision as a child. Apparently sometimes, the person performing it actually sucks the blood out when done. I mean..come on

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by smudgie

My brother had itdone as a young child, not a great experience.
A friends son had it done when he was three, again painful and upsetting.
Both had struggled for a time before, both were excellent after a couple of weeks.
Much better to have it done as a baby I believe, less painful, less to remove, less stress.
Not sure how many boys struggle with infections or tightness

I think its obviously fine if its for medical reasons, seems a fair few boys have theirs too tight, and of course anything to relieve the pain is good. Its when there is no actual reason..that gets me tbh

[thesheriff443]

How many people happily get piecings that are pointless and mutillate there bodies.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

How many people happily get piecings that are pointless and mutillate there bodies.

But thats a choice. Its different chosing to mutilate your own body..rather than someone else make the decision and do it for you.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

But thats a choice. Its different chosing to mutilate your own body..rather than someone else make the decision and do it for you.

True but it’s another form of mutilation that’s not only acceptable but is chosen.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

True but it’s another form of mutilation that’s not only acceptable but is chosen.

Well yeah, technically tattos and pericings and stuff atre mutiliation. But I do think people should be able to do what they like with their bodies (within reason) when its a free choice.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

It’s a funny old world, in which people are happy for perverts to be castrated but not for a piece of skin to be cut off.

Unless it affects you in person it’s just another white noise subject in life.

if we aim to progress as a species stopping children being disfigured for superstition is good thing

[armand.kay]

can't say I have a strong opinion on what people should do with their baby's dick. I'm just glad I got circumcised and I'm also glad I've never come across an uncircumcised peen in my sex life.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

if we aim to progress as a species stopping children being disfigured for superstition is good thing

It’s been going on for thousands of years and will continue.

The human race is primitive we should be ruled by a computer that only understand stands logic and right from wron without any other factors being considered like religion.