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19-07-2019, 08:15 PM | #26 | |||
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Which film critic is gonna be negative towards somebody considered a minority without risking being labeled a bigot?
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19-07-2019, 08:17 PM | #27 | ||
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You think a black actor has never been criticised? Unless you mean a critic is not going to come out with "This minority only got cast because they are a minority" then you're right, that's bigoted. |
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19-07-2019, 08:22 PM | #28 | ||
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Normal people don't worry about being seen as bigoted because we know we aren't, it's only a worry for the self aware bigot. I think your whole 'PC is ruining Hollywood!' argument is based on nothing. |
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19-07-2019, 08:22 PM | #29 | |||
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Any Black actor that has been criticised, you can bet the person was labeled a racist for doing so.
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19-07-2019, 08:25 PM | #30 | |||
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19-07-2019, 09:37 PM | #31 | ||
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That's never happened.
People have (rightly) commented on the entire spectrum of nominations each year being so white. Which is a symptom of the screen itself lacking diversity. But I suppose it's just a coincidence that the very best of the best in the film industry are white. Last edited by Marsh.; 19-07-2019 at 09:40 PM. |
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19-07-2019, 09:44 PM | #32 | ||
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19-07-2019, 09:44 PM | #33 | |||
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Jessica Meuse was robbed.
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19-07-2019, 09:58 PM | #34 | |||
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Do you guys really think a show like Pose could work if Blanca was played by ****ing Scarjo? imo there's a certain authenticity that is lost when cis people take on trans roles. Like i understand it when its a movie like The Danish Girl, where we follow someone transitioning, then it makes sense to hire a cis actor. However, if it's any other trans story I really don't why you can't just take the time out to hire quality trans actors and if that's not something you're willing to do then are you really the right person to be telling this story.
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19-07-2019, 10:00 PM | #35 | ||
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19-07-2019, 10:08 PM | #36 | ||
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It's kind of sad you don't get it bc it's long overdue and it's here to stay. You'll still get you straight white male flicks don't worry. But those will never again be the whole of the cinema. Last edited by Twosugars; 19-07-2019 at 10:08 PM. |
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19-07-2019, 10:10 PM | #37 | |||
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If a producer comes up with a good story and it gets made, then sure. But this shouldn't happen because higher-ups mandated their position into existence. If it happens through a meritocracy, then great!
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19-07-2019, 10:15 PM | #38 | ||
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Their stories have to be forced through, at least initially, or they'll never get made at all. Then once talented minorities have been given those opportunities the representation and growth happens naturally. The same as it has done for the majority. If things just stayed as they were, then the writers would still be the same people, the producers still the same people, all writing from the same vantage points and experiences. Change does not occur naturally, it needs a little nudge. The only way it would be in anyway a "negative" would be if it was taking opportunities away from a group of people, which judging what we see on screens and in the cinema has not happened, the majority still have... the majority. The old "If they come up with a story then... great" didn't work out so well when... next to nothing was making it through the commission process. Last edited by Marsh.; 19-07-2019 at 10:21 PM. |
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19-07-2019, 10:21 PM | #39 | ||
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19-07-2019, 10:27 PM | #40 | |||
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It's not the 1960s anymore, meritocracies work, everyone is on even footing - as it should be
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19-07-2019, 10:32 PM | #41 | ||
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19-07-2019, 10:41 PM | #42 | ||
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If everyone was on equal footing, there would be no lack of representation. "Hired on merit" pertaining to the same "majority" is not even close to equal. Last edited by Marsh.; 19-07-2019 at 10:42 PM. |
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19-07-2019, 10:44 PM | #43 | |||
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Nollywood, Bollywood, Hong Kong, Japan Ect, the representation of White men in their movies would give you a heart attack. |
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19-07-2019, 10:50 PM | #44 | ||
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19-07-2019, 10:56 PM | #45 | ||
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All roles should be open to any actor or actress as long as they’re right for the part.
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20-07-2019, 05:32 AM | #46 | |||
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...so is it a transitioning character in Ghost Shell... and she pulled out of playing the part..?..
..I don’t know, I guess transgender is still quite controversial to some of society..so it would seem that the most important thing would be to have an actor who could break through that in terms of their relatability/popularity...the part would need someone who would greatly inspire thoughts and have the audience feel totally invested in the character being portrayed...we had that with Danish Girl... |
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20-07-2019, 06:05 AM | #47 | |||
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20-07-2019, 06:51 AM | #48 | |||
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The acting profession has been an unfair playground for generations, this is but one small facet of a much larger issue. Logic would suggest that the best person qualified for the role would get it, but that rarely (if ever) happens. It's always about who is the biggest box office draw or who is "best friends" with the director etc. I find it difficult to take the acting profession seriously until those issues are sorted out.
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20-07-2019, 07:35 AM | #49 | |||
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...I think it’s progressing though in that there are more and more ‘unknowns’ cast in big roles and those movies are showing huge successes ...which encourages that progression to continue...but I guess, is it more that Scarlett for instance and so, so many other actresses could be cast for so many varied roles, including transgender...but would a transgender person have the same scope or would they be pigeon-holed more..?...
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20-07-2019, 08:01 AM | #50 | |||
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But there isn't a lack of representation anymore, what have you been watching?
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