FAQ |
Members List |
Calendar |
Search |
Today's Posts |
|
Serious Debates & News Debate and discussion about political, moral, philosophical, celebrity and news topics. |
Reply |
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
26-07-2019, 05:03 AM | #1 | |||
|
||||
self-oscillating
|
A 79-year-old Chinese man appeared in court in New Zealand last week after he pinched a toddler's penis in a swimming pool changing room.
But despite admitting assault, he was let off a charge as the judge accepted his argument that the behaviour was a traditional sign of affection in China, say media reports. How true is that and how has China reacted? Last August, in a recreation centre changing room in Christchurch, Chinese man Ren Changfu saw a boy he didn't know getting changed with his father. Ren went over to talk to them, flicked the toddler's penis, laughed and touched it again, New Zealand media report. The father told Ren to stop and called the police. The man, who had moved to New Zealand in 2009, told the police that he hadn't known such an action was offensive there, and that the young victim had reminded him of a grandson back in China whom he missed deeply. Ren's daughter prepared a report that said in China, tweaking a child's penis was a way of showing affection. Christchurch District Court Judge Alistair Garland accepted the defence's submission and decided there was no sexual motive behind Ren's behaviour, local media reported. The judge reportedly said Ren was devastated to have upset the family and "willing to do anything he could to make amends", and that his actions "needed to be understood in terms of Mr Ren's culture". The child's parents have accepted his apology and compensation of NZ$1,000 ($670; £540). The news has become a talking point on Chinese social media over the past week, with most people saying it's a misinterpretation of societal norms. Chinese news portal Sohu reposted the anecdote on Weibo, sparking huge controversy. Among more than 1,200 comments, about 300 said they had never thought of the action as being part of the culture. Nearly 200 said they'd seen or heard about it decades ago in certain rural areas, practiced by the old people, but that it was a dying habit widely seen now as ugly. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-china-blog-49093697 ------- Very dodgy if you ask me, seems like another avenue for a perv to strike. |
|||
Reply With Quote |
26-07-2019, 06:37 AM | #2 | |||
|
||||
This Witch doesn't burn
|
very strange behaviour, I mean when would you greet someone with affection like this in the normal day to day even back in the olden days....
doing it in front of the Dad as well
__________________
'put a bit of lippy on and run a brush through your hair, we are alcoholics, not savages' |
|||
Reply With Quote |
26-07-2019, 06:54 AM | #3 | |||
|
||||
Quand il pleut, il pleut
|
Quote:
|
|||
Reply With Quote |
26-07-2019, 07:06 AM | #4 | ||
|
|||
Remembering Kerry
|
Sounds very dubious.
I know Chinese customs are you greet the older person first. That they will look to the ground maybe when greeting. I haven't heard of this one however. His defence lawyer seems to have done a clever bit of possible inventiveness. One would have thought however, any judges would want to have seen hard evidence of such a weird er, 'custom'. Last edited by joeysteele; 26-07-2019 at 07:06 AM. |
||
Reply With Quote |
26-07-2019, 07:09 AM | #5 | |||
|
||||
self-oscillating
|
Quote:
I thought this thread would add some balance to the other emotive one .... to my mind any dodgy workarounds should be stamped out |
|||
Reply With Quote |
26-07-2019, 07:10 AM | #6 | |||
|
||||
I Love my brick
|
I'm not sure "it's a custom in my country"
should have been accepted, what's that phrase? Ignorance of the law is no excuse?
__________________
Spoiler: Last edited by Niamh.; 26-07-2019 at 08:54 AM. |
|||
Reply With Quote |
26-07-2019, 07:12 AM | #7 | |||
|
||||
Quand il pleut, il pleut
|
...I wonder if it will have any emotional effects on the child which may be displayed as he gets older...
|
|||
Reply With Quote |
26-07-2019, 07:13 AM | #8 | |||
|
||||
This Witch doesn't burn
|
Indeed, unless he is suffering from dementia, you would think that would be mentioned though
__________________
'put a bit of lippy on and run a brush through your hair, we are alcoholics, not savages' |
|||
Reply With Quote |
26-07-2019, 07:13 AM | #9 | |||
|
||||
Quand il pleut, il pleut
|
|
|||
Reply With Quote |
26-07-2019, 07:14 AM | #10 | |||
|
||||
This Witch doesn't burn
|
well lets hope we are not all deemed racists for having the temerity to have an opinion on a chinese person
__________________
'put a bit of lippy on and run a brush through your hair, we are alcoholics, not savages' |
|||
Reply With Quote |
26-07-2019, 08:47 AM | #11 | |||
|
||||
Queen of Walford
|
Not defending the guy at all or saying the 'tradition' was right but the fact he did it in front of the father says it was never meant to be predatory or anything so I think an apology and compensation is about right.
He shouldn't do it at all though it's just odd.
__________________
|
|||
Reply With Quote |
26-07-2019, 08:49 AM | #12 | |||
|
||||
I Love my brick
|
Quote:
__________________
Spoiler: |
|||
Reply With Quote |
26-07-2019, 08:55 AM | #13 | ||
|
|||
-
|
Quote:
Quote:
Obviously it's really bizarre behaviour, and while I understand to an extent the judge choosing to be lenient I also agree with Niamh above that ignorance of the law isn't supposed to be an excuse. I think some sort of non-custodial charge would have been warranted. But then, if the parents accepted the apology, their wishes were probably taken into account too. |
||
Reply With Quote |
26-07-2019, 11:30 AM | #14 | |||
|
||||
Queen of Walford
|
It was a baby though so surely the parents are the ones who have to be compensated?
__________________
|
|||
Reply With Quote |
26-07-2019, 11:45 AM | #15 | ||
|
|||
0_o
|
Well, IMO if it was actually custom to greet kids by nipping their penis, then the areas where this is considered fine..are not fine!
Horrid man. Father should have grabbed twisted and pulled and said it was the way he greets people tbh, bet the guy wouldn't be impressed with that. Poor kid.
__________________
Quote:
|
||
Reply With Quote |
26-07-2019, 05:05 PM | #16 | ||
|
|||
Senior Member
|
I am highly skeptical of this being a custom anywhere.
If he’d done that to one of my kids i’d have knocked him out. I don’t believe this is a thing on this planet.Sounds like a perv trying to use his immigrant status as an excuse. |
||
Reply With Quote |
26-07-2019, 05:12 PM | #17 | |||
|
||||
You know my methods
|
He has been in NZ for 10 years and thinks that a Chinese custom from back in the day would be appropriate? F off, dirty old pervert
|
|||
Reply With Quote |
26-07-2019, 06:05 PM | #18 | ||
|
|||
Senior Member
|
And I suppose Trump's pussy grabbing was also an ancient American custom?
|
||
Reply With Quote |
26-07-2019, 06:49 PM | #19 | ||
|
|||
Stiff Member
|
|
||
Reply With Quote |
26-07-2019, 10:43 PM | #20 | |||
|
||||
Senior Member
|
Ping dong
|
|||
Reply With Quote |
Reply |
Thread Tools | Search this Thread |
Display Modes | |
|
|