[Ammi]

...he’s also done it because he’s become the most talked about and controversial PM ever now...I mean, that can’t do his career any harm...all publicity is good publicity as Simon Cowell would say...this will especially expand him out to the USA market as this is such a trump move and everything Trump will think is wonderful...very self serving indeed, cool move Boris...

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Alf

A dictator would not ask for permission.

it's exactly what a dictator would do when the permission is always granted

[arista]

Paul Mason set up the Demo last night
Paul wants Violence.

James Whale knows he is bad news.

[Twosugars]

Demo is not violence, chill out Arista

[Alf]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

He's used his power to shut down and limit opposition to his aims of leaving with no deal.
Something he originally advocated 3 years ago was impossible.

Plus only a few weeks ago stated it was a million to one chance.

He has used power trusted to him, to close down opposing opportunities to stop something that he stated couldn't happen.

Sounds pretty close to dictatorship to me.
Unacceptable, inappropriate and simply wrong to have acted this extreme way.

He could have done a Queen's speech post October 31st.
There's only one reason he's done this now.
Not in the interests of the UK, not in the interests of Parliament, not even, (if any of them develop finally some courage to put their votes where their mouths are), in the interests of his Party.

He's done it to only satisfy the more extreme elements of his Party and others who always wanted the most uncertain and dangerous extreme brexit outcome.

No matter the consequences.

17.4m are still waiting, 3 years later, for their decision to be implemented, because most politicians have been working against the people to stop it. Boris is doing what he can to make sure this gets done and we can finally move on.

I just don't think you're used to a leader showing leadership, because we haven't had a real leader since Mrs Thatcher.

June 23rd 2016, more than 3 years ago. Yet you have been happy to support delay, after delay, after delay.

This time we have someone in charge that tries to get things that the people want, done, And you lot throw a tantrum.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Demo is not violence, chill out Arista

Paul Mason stated on Newsnight last night
that Violent Demo's will happen


You are not Updated

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by arista

Paul Mason stated on Newsnight last night
that Violent Demo's will happen


You are not Updated

They may do but doesn't mean he advocates them

[UserSince2005]

violent demos?

im imagining a lot of toys being thrown out of prams?

[Alf]

Demos like the one in the first of Arista's videos, where all the zombies are all walking around chanting "we are victims"

[UserSince2005]

anyhow if they do start smashing windows or some dumb **** rubber bullet the animals.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Alf

17.4m are still waiting, 3 years later, for their decision to be implemented, because most politicians have been working against the people to stop it. Boris is doing what he can to make sure this gets done and we can finally move on.

I just don't think you're used to a leader showing leadership, because we haven't had a real leader since Mrs Thatcher.

June 23rd 2016, more than 3 years ago. Yet you have been happy to support delay, after delay, after delay.

This time we have someone in charge that tries to get things that the people want, done, And you lot throw a tantrum.

I don't know how many of that 17.4million voted whatever as to their reasons.

However what I'll never believe from anyone is that 17.4 million voted to leave with NO DEAL.
So those keep harping on about 17.4 million voting to leave, have a valid point.

However I'm as certain as I can be nothing like those 17.4 million voted for NO DEAL and for Parliament to be sidelined by a PM in the their name, to ensure no deal became more likely.

Not a chance is that the case, in my view.
Not a chance.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Look mate, why you create a thread if you can't stick to its topic?

Go and create one about corbyn and you can rant there

true

[parmnion]

Unless there's something coming after them..Im perched for the water cannons blasting the specks of the lot of them.

Can just imagine..one bloke puffing his pipe in the middle of all the mayhem around him..."we must retire to the staff toom"

[Alf]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I don't know how many of that 17.4million voted whatever as to their reasons.

However what I'll never believe from anyone is that 17.4 million voted to leave with NO DEAL.
So those keep harping on about 17.4 million voting to leave, have a valid point.

However I'm as certain as I can be nothing like those 17.4 million voted for NO DEAL and for Parliament to be sidelined by a PM in the their name, to ensure no deal became more likely.

Not a chance is that the case, in my view.
Not a chance.

No deal is the default position. Parliament has been deliberately dithering trying to delay and stop the outcome, The reason no deal is the only outcome is because of them. Boris is just doing his job of what needs to be done.

You want to blame someone for no deal, then blame the remain establishment.

[Tom4784]

I do hope all brexiters are outraged about this since this is an actual example of MPs abusing democracy for their own ends. I've heard so often these past few years that opposing Brexit is undemocratic so I better see some outrage on the Brexters' behalf for this constitutional abuse in order to force us down a path that most brexiters don't even want.

You can't screech at remainers for not 'respecting democracy' and then cheer on this abortion of rights.

It's an utter joke and it will be the end of the union as we know it because Scotland won't stick around (Take me with you!!!) and I think NI will be wrapped up in so much bull**** with a no deal that it'll basically be a separate entity all together.

Boris has gone for the nuclear option here and everyone, regardless of political alignment, should be very worried.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Alf

No deal is the default position. Parliament has been deliberately dithering trying to delay and stop the outcome, The reason no deal is the only outcome is because of them. Boris is just doing his job of what needs to be done.

You want to blame someone for no deal, then blame the remain establishment.

Some of the present BREXIT no deal Cabinet and the bigoted extreme DUP with the ERG of the Con. party are who scuppered leaving with May's deal.

She also sacrificed her then overall majority too in 2017.

Opposition is there, and the clue is in the title, to oppose, not support and save bad governments.

[Alf]

Bad losers.

You need to learn how to lose with dignity.

[parmnion]

It is China, Germany Iran and Russia fault...and probably Poland as well in the end...if it does become nuclear..

Big days ahead in the future for the g7 held by Trump in America next year.

I heard he wants a g4..not including uk..or any other European country..

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Alf

Bad losers.

You need to learn how to lose with dignity.

If this has been the opposite way around, that government was shut down in order to ensure an outcome you didn't want, you would rage endlessly about it.

Difference is that most remainers would find it an outrage if that happened as well. Democracy is democracy, if you support what Boris has done then you quite simply oppose democracy and support what is essentially the move of a dictator.

[armand.kay]

Originally Posted by Alf

Bad losers.

You need to learn how to lose with dignity.

I think the fact that you see this as a competition that's to be won or lost is...well...nvm

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

If this has been the opposite way around, that government was shut down in order to ensure an outcome you didn't want, you would rage endlessly about it.

Difference is that most remainers would find it an outrage if that happened as well. Democracy is democracy, if you support what Boris has done then you quite simply oppose democracy and support what is essentially the move of a dictator.

Whatifary.

[parmnion]

Anyone opposing brexit, or mays plan used thier parliamentary privaliges to block a deal..this is just the same..dissapointing in the queen..Im sure there would have been a way for her to say no..but it's already been pointed out why she said yes.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Whatifary.

That doesn't work given the context but you do you, sweetie.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

That doesn't work given the context but you do you, sweetie.

Well check ya self when ya pump it out next time.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Alf

Bad losers.

You need to learn how to lose with dignity.

Since the 80s there's been those who never wanted the UK in the EU or EEC either, going on moaning for decade after decade.

Even following a near 67% to 33% vote to be in the EEC.

So I'll take no lectures from brexiteers re moaning.