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Kizzy · 23-09-2019, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Alf

What did we steal? And why do we no longer have it, did somebody give our treasure away?

As colonialists we stole a lot from lots of places

Twosugars · 23-09-2019, 05:09 PM

Barnier calls the latest backstop proposals by bojo the clown "unacceptable "

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The UK government has proposed maintaining an all-Ireland sanitary and phytosanitary zone for agrifood products to ensure that the flow of 30% by value of the trade across the border is unimpeded.

The EU has said this “partial” solution does not avoid additional customs and VAT checks on the island of Ireland nor deal with the issue of manufactured goods that cross the border after Brexit.

The backstop in the withdrawal agreement would in effect keep Northern Ireland in the single market and the whole of the UK in a shared customs territory in order to maintain peace, protect the north-south economy and avoid border infrastructure of even additional related checks.

Of the UK’s suggestion that customs paperwork could be done away from the border and that technology and trusted trade schemes could facilitate the necessary checks, Barnier raised doubts.

“Objectively, there are possibilities,” Barnier said, but added: “I don’t know how to inspect a cow with virtual methods.”

The Guardian

joeysteele · 23-09-2019, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy

If we truly are democratic and the kingdoms of the UK divolved then why wasn't the referendum done by country? That way there would be no taking another country out against its will. The votes could have been stratified by population?

The referendum was extremely badly planned.

However, I think it should NOT be dismissed that 2 Nations of the UK voted remain and 2 Nations voted leave.
The 2 who voted remain both voted by double figure majorities to.

It really was only the fact England has around 5 times the voters of Scotland, Wales and N Ireland put together which decided the referendum outcome.

Now okay it was a UK refetendum.
However dismissing and overriding the divisions of the 4 Countries of the UK.
Will mean probably those divisions will never heal.
As 2 of them will feel their needs and status are irrelevant.

I think, just my view, a new referendum is needed and at least 3 UK Countries must vote the same way for it to be valid and acted on.

Twosugars · 23-09-2019, 11:49 PM

On Monday, the head of the Bar Council condemned unidentified “Number 10” sources who were quoted in the weekend papers as warning the judiciary about taking sides over Brexit.

Richard Atkins QC, chair of the organisation that represents barristers in England and Wales, also criticised death threats sent to one of the litigants in the prorogation case whose home address was revealed on Twitter.

“It is a low point in the history of our nation when a faceless ‘No 10 source’ refers to ‘remainiac lawyers’ and issues threats to the judiciary about its constitutional role suggesting that judges take sides,” said Atkins.

“The rule of law and the independence of the judiciary are fundamental pillars of our democracy. Judges do not take sides as the Downing Street source suggests, but apply the law ‘without fear or favour’.”
The Guardian

bitontheslide · 24-09-2019, 09:46 AM

declared unlawful by the supreme court

arista · 24-09-2019, 09:47 AM

The Supreme Court has ruled
Parliament No Longer Prorogued.

All media.

Vanessa · 24-09-2019, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by arista

The Supreme Court has ruled
Parliament No Longer Prorogued.

All media.

Brilliant news. I'm over the moon!

arista · 24-09-2019, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Vanessa

Brilliant news. I'm over the moon!

But Johnson PM
is in New York City.

He is not going to Resign

Vanessa · 24-09-2019, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by arista

But Johnson PM
is in New York City.

He is not going to Resign

He needs to go. At this point, I think Corbin might be a better pm.

arista · 24-09-2019, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Vanessa

He needs to go. At this point, I think Corbyn might be a better pm.

He will not Resign
on the word of the Poxy SNP

AnnieK · 24-09-2019, 09:56 AM

Just another thing to add to the list of National embarrassment

smudgie · 24-09-2019, 10:00 AM

Just have a ruddy election.
Make sure all sides have a crystal clear manifesto as to Brexit, and get on with it.
Then we can have the horror of finding someone suitable to rule the country out of the rabble on offer.

joeysteele · 24-09-2019, 10:01 AM

Any other PM would be forced out after this from the highest court in the land.

He has NO credibility left.
Not a scrap.

Vanessa · 24-09-2019, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by arista

He will not Resign
on the word of the Poxy SNP

He has to. No one trust him now. He's a loser cannon

Vanessa · 24-09-2019, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by joeysteele

Any other PM would be forced out after this from the highest court in the land.

He has NO credibility left.
Not a scrap.

Exactly. What the point in him staying now? He can't be trusted.

Vanessa · 24-09-2019, 10:03 AM

I really think Corbin could make a good pm. Certainly better that that clown we have now.

bitontheslide · 24-09-2019, 10:03 AM

if he thinks this is bad now, just wait till he tries to force a no deal brexit through on the 31st

Scarlett. · 24-09-2019, 10:11 AM

So he made the Queen take part in an unlawful suspension of parliament. Naughty Boris.

Niamh. · 24-09-2019, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Dia.

So he made the Queen take part in an unlawful suspension of parliament. Naughty Boris.

Did he lie to the Queen? Is that not treason or something

bitontheslide · 24-09-2019, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Niamh.

Did he lie to the Queen? Is that not treason or something

he made the queen a co-conspirator ... she is now a criminal

its a good point though, there is usually some punishment for an unlawful act, this isn't over yet, it will go back to the lower courts for action

arista · 24-09-2019, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Vanessa

He has to. No one trust him now. He's a loser cannon

He Does not have to Resign
Poxy SNP do not Rule England

The PM can shut Down Parliament , again.

arista · 24-09-2019, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Niamh.

Did he lie to the Queen? Is that not treason or something

NO

joeysteele · 24-09-2019, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by arista

He Does not have to Resign
Poxy SNP do not Rule England

The PM can shut Down Parliament , again.

For 5 to 6 days before a Queens speech.
A Queens speech he may not even get passed.

If he tried a longer one, this judgements would render that already unlawful and he'd see it back in court again.

I don't think you grasp the seriousness of his manipulation and deceit in this, even involving the Monarch

All 11 judges agreed the judgement.

Defend him all you will, HE has tried to get away with closing down democracy in the UK.

So much for leave supporters saying this was taking democracy back.

This is a disgrace from a serving PM.

The Slim Reaper · 24-09-2019, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide

he made the queen a co-conspirator ... she is now a criminal

its a good point though, there is usually some punishment for an unlawful act, this isn't over yet, it will go back to the lower courts for action

I only found out a few months ago that the queen has never had a driving lesson, has never taken her test, and doesn't even have a licence, yet still drives on the roads.