[parmnion]

Leave would walk a new vote..the sleeping masses would come out in droves....but it won't happen so it's a mute point.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Cherie

what has death got to do with Brexit?

You are talking about people dying and the UK rejoining... you have no idea what the next generation of young people will think, if we leave they will be born into a country that lies outside the UK and may not want to rejoin, and they will moan about the oldies (you) harking back to the EU membership years ….lol

Considering that the younger demographics were almost entirely supported Remain and there's about 60-70 years ahead of them before their generation dies, it's not really likely that the viewpoint will change, especially when all the analysts agree that Post-Brexit Britain will be fraught with difficulty.

I think that if we were to do another referendum now, it would be Remain that would take Leave's narrow majority but to do so would just mean more referendums that won't lead anywhere.

[Tom4784]

As for the bull**** about liberal viewpoints being something you grow out of, if that was true it would still be illegal to be gay and segregation would still be a thing but it's not. In the past 20 years alone, there's been more victories in the battle for gay rights then there's been in the decades preceding it. Not since the days of the Stonewall riots and the legalisation of gay sex has there been such an explosion of progress for the LGBT cause.

If what you were saying was true, Alf, none of that progress would have ever come to pass.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

As for the bull**** about liberal viewpoints being something you grow out of, if that was true it would still be illegal to be gay and segregation would still be a thing but it's not. In the past 20 years alone, there's been more victories in the battle for gay rights then there's been in the decades preceding it. Not since the days of the Stonewall riots and the legalisation of gay sex has there been such an explosion of progress for the LGBT cause.

If what you were saying was true, Alf, none of that progress would have ever come to pass.

Very true
Otherwise the civilisation would never progress

Back in prehistoric times, a bunch of all farts talking: this new fangled round thing, the wheel, will never catch on!

[arista]

[bitontheslide]

i think it is simplistic to say that the younger generation support close ties with the EU when that's all they have ever known and therefore have no reference to compare against. If an independent UK exists for 4 decades lets see what the demographics reflect then.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Am i upsetting you with my wisdom kizzy, too bad..:/

It's not wisdom when you're just making wild accusations.

Conservatives have relied on the grey vote for years, come the next election it's a given that many might not be here to vote and I don't see there being as many minded to replace them.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It's not wisdom when you're just making wild accusations.

Conservatives have relied on the grey vote for years, come the next election it's a given that many might not be here to vote and I don't see there being as many minded to replace them.

so you are saying all the current con voters voted that way all their life?

there is no such thing as a life long supporter any more, apart from some entrenched hardliners

I've voted for everyone but the cons over the years, I am sure a lot of people have done the same, as people get older they tend to vote on polices, ask Nick Clegg why the lib dems did so well when their policy was to axe tuition fees, ask Mrs May why she did so badly in the last election...was it not something to do with her social care policy? it certainly wasn't turkeys voting for Christmas that is for sure, the grey vote just like any other vote can go anywhere

[Cherie]

I remember a certain member at the last election saying it was pointless voting as there were too many old people, I won't mention his name to spare his blushes.... I suggested Mays social policy and Corbyns popularity with the youth might suggest otherwise...he was having none of it, probably didn't vote either

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Cherie

so you are saying all the current con voters voted that way all their life?

there is no such thing as a life long supporter any more, apart from some entrenched hardliners

I've voted for everyone but the cons over the years, I am sure a lot of people have done the same, as people get older they tend to vote on polices, ask Nick Clegg why the lib dems did so well when their policy was to axe tuition fees, ask Mrs May why she did so badly in the last election...was it not something to do with her social care policy? it certainly wasn't turkeys voting for Christmas that is for sure, the grey vote just like any other vote can go anywhere

This is true Cherie,I can say from experience we were always Labour supporters, but the last couple of times we have gone for the Conservatives, I didn't want to follow what the family had just done for years, I wanted to make my own mind up and I did, I guess it happens all the time, why would anyone vote for a party because their parents did

[arista]

Sexy American Hottie
back in the Day

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

so you are saying all the current con voters voted that way all their life?

there is no such thing as a life long supporter any more, apart from some entrenched hardliners

I've voted for everyone but the cons over the years, I am sure a lot of people have done the same, as people get older they tend to vote on polices, ask Nick Clegg why the lib dems did so well when their policy was to axe tuition fees, ask Mrs May why she did so badly in the last election...was it not something to do with her social care policy? it certainly wasn't turkeys voting for Christmas that is for sure, the grey vote just like any other vote can go anywhere

No.. I didn't say they had voted that way all their lives. The old one nation tories pandered to the older voter so they could rely on their support. I don't deny that is changing, not sure if it's policy or party direction.

[Vicky.]

The older vote does tend to go the tories. I expect the reason for this is quite simple..people do not vote on policies as such, they vote on who they would be better off under. Obviously poor people and younger ones are not likely to vote Tory, hwever, as they get older, get more savings, higher wages, own houses, etc...Torys look more appealing, as they tend to look after those well off and only target those very poor for cuts and such. So people turning more and more Tory as they age, makes a lot of sense to me really. I know loads will say they vote on whats best for the country, etc etc, but I do think really..most people vote on whats best for them..and I don't really see a problem with that.

Disclaimer - Not all older people are like that, etc etc. Obvioudly speaking broadly here. Given it seems I have to specify evertime I post that I do not mean every single member of a group thinks the same, and that. Even though that should go without saying..

[arista]

Scotland:
Johnson Lawyers say they will Extend
if he does not get out on a Deal by the 19th of Oct.


https://news.sky.com/story/pm-will-s...tober-11827149

[arista]

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by arista

Scotland:
Johnson Lawyers say they will Extend
if he does not get out on a Deal by the 19th of Oct.


https://news.sky.com/story/pm-will-s...tober-11827149

So I take he will die in a ditch?

That's what happens if you use stupid immature rhetoric

[arista]

No that's not the whole Story
he is still saying the Benn act is not the whole story
and will leave on the 31st.

At the same time as the lawyers
stating he will follow the Benn act.

[Kazanne]

He hasn't got much choice has he ? but I'm guessing some of the remainers will be ready to pounce on him at every opportunity they can, I still think Boris would win a GE whenever that takes place,people will not forget how he was blocked at every turn .

[Tom4784]

Easily led Brexiters will remember whatever fairy tale they want to hear.

If you think Boris is a victim then you aren't paying attention.

[Twosugars]

let's have an extension and a second referendum

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

The older vote does tend to go the tories. I expect the reason for this is quite simple..people do not vote on policies as such, they vote on who they would be better off under. Obviously poor people and younger ones are not likely to vote Tory, hwever, as they get older, get more savings, higher wages, own houses, etc...Torys look more appealing, as they tend to look after those well off and only target those very poor for cuts and such. So people turning more and more Tory as they age, makes a lot of sense to me really. I know loads will say they vote on whats best for the country, etc etc, but I do think really..most people vote on whats best for them..and I don't really see a problem with that.

Disclaimer - Not all older people are like that, etc etc. Obvioudly speaking broadly here. Given it seems I have to specify evertime I post that I do not mean every single member of a group thinks the same, and that. Even though that should go without saying..

i think the old political allegiances have gone out the window. What was true even 5 years ago no longer holds true. I will never vote tory or labour again as a matter of principle. It's anyones guess if I will find a party i am willing to get behind at the next GE

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i think the old political allegiances have gone out the window. What was true even 5 years ago no longer holds true. I will never vote tory or labour again as a matter of principle. It's anyones guess if I will find a party i am willing to get behind at the next GE

Am in the same boat. Been politically homeless for a year or so now. Theres huge issues with every party..need a new one really, with sensible people.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Easily led Brexiters will remember whatever fairy tale they want to hear.

If you think Boris is a victim then you aren't paying attention.

They will indeed.

I doubt anyone being really serious would ever see Johnson as a victim.
Only his extreme hardline diehard supporters could think that.
Not a chance is he.

After his plotting, deceit, lies and backstabbing against his 2 former Prime Miinister leaders.

Victim indeed.
It's those who oppose him who are the real victims, of his actions.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

They will indeed.

I doubt anyone being really serious would ever see Johnson as a victim.
Only his extreme hardline diehard supporters could think that.
Not a chance is he.

After his plotting, deceit, lies and backstabbing against his 2 former Prime Miinister leaders.

Victim indeed.
It's those who oppose him who are the real victims, of his actions.

Extreme die hard supporters? They're such extreme die hard supporters of his, that if he delays, they'll abandon him and put their support behind Farage.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

This country cannot be a member of eu for as long as the half/half split exist.
So show us all the good times you promised and we will see.
If and when it proves to be ****, as many of remainers believe, a new generation can make a better informed decision about rejoining

I seriously doubt the EU would take us back after all this bollocks mind, and I don't blame them one bit. Rejoining when things go wrong is like putting a plaster on