[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I seriously doubt the EU would take us back after all this bollocks mind, and I don't blame them one bit. Rejoining when things go wrong is like putting a plaster on

I agree with all that.
From Labour's referendum in 1975 as to staying in the EEC.

We, in this Country have elected government after government, Con and Lab.
Under numerous PMs, who have all signed treaties forming the EU.
Never once asking the voters if they agreed with those treaties to be signed.
Yet we elected those governments over and over.

Margaret Thatcher was of the main supporters of the single market.
She won a rebate, left in place ever since.
We were given by the EU an opt out on joining the Euro.

Then like all other EU member Nations we had a veto.
Nothing we didn't want or support in the EU we could veto.
Only one Nation needs to use their veto to stop something.

After putting all that in place for ALL the member EU Nations, we are now walking off blaming the EU, even for things they haven't actually been responsible for re the EU court.

It's actually tragic.

[Alf]

Boris just tweeted

"New deal or no deal, but no delay."

[Kazanne]

I really cannot stand this man, he will do anything to get into power .
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexi...cid=spartanntp

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Nah, it would be 50/50 again. Maybe swing 52/48 to remain, maybe stay exactly what it was, because 2% either way is a pretty standard error margin. Nothing has changed in the public mindset. The people who voted for Brexit didn't understand the consequences then, and they don't understand them now.

Well, given they write every little thing off as 'fear mongering'. Heads in sand, purposely.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Alf

Extreme die hard supporters? They're such extreme die hard supporters of his, that if he delays, they'll abandon him and put their support behind Farage.

The only benefit from this scenario is that when Brexit gets delayed and we inevitably have another Election, the brexiters will end up hurting themselves by splitting the vote between the Brexit party and the Tories. With a bit of luck, the split will take them both out of the running.

It's not surprising that Brexiters would jump ship to the next con man though. The phrase' Fool me once, shame on you...' would be perfect for Brexiters if there was about 50 more lines of it to take into account all the times that Brexiters have allowed themselves to be fooled by things they want to hear.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Well, given they write every little thing off as 'fear mongering'. Heads in sand, purposely.

I think there'd be enough of a percentage of swing voters that would swing things back to Remain but, tbh, that would just lead to years and years of Brexiter tantrums and enough tears of red faced manchildren to salt the water supply.

Another referendum would just lead to another and another. Leaving with a deal is the only real option we have.

[Kizzy]

I cannot stand this man...he really will do anything to give trump power.

'Boris Johnson*is scrapping a commitment by*Theresa May*to stick to EU rules on environment, safety standards, and workers' rights – to raise his chances of getting a trade agreement with Donald Trump," writes Brussels correspondent Jon Stone.


"The so-called "level playing field", included in the Brexit deal negotiated by the former prime minister, were a commitment to abide by similar rule to the EU in exchange for market access.'

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a9142606.html

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I cannot stand this man...he really will do anything to give trump power.

'Boris Johnson*is scrapping a commitment by*Theresa May*to stick to EU rules on environment, safety standards, and workers' rights – to raise his chances of getting a trade agreement with Donald Trump," writes Brussels correspondent Jon Stone.


"The so-called "level playing field", included in the Brexit deal negotiated by the former prime minister, were a commitment to abide by similar rule to the EU in exchange for market access.'

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a9142606.html

There we are. We are ****ed, as predicted.
Maybe when brexiters lose their annual holiday the penny will drop?

[Tom4784]

It's utterly hilarious that Brexiters are acting this is about freedom when all they are doing is lubing themselves up for Trump.

Brexiters have been told what to think, they've been told that the EU is bad and horrible and they simply can't think for themselves and now they're being led to believe that no deal is the best option when all it benefits are the elites that have led them to that decision like cattle to the ****ing slaughter house.

[parmnion]

The remainers have thier heads so far up thier own arses they believe normally sane people can be led by slogans.


Brainwashed idiots...I pity the lot of them.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by parmnion

The remainers have thier heads so far up thier own arses they believe normally sane people can be led by slogans.


Brainwashed idiots...I pity the lot of them.

'I know you are but what am I?' Doesn't really work when everything that has happened so far has been stuff that's been predicted beforehand, that brexiters were told to ignore by Micheal 'We have had enough of experts' Gove.

Suggesting I'm brainwashed is just silly considering the reality of the situation we're in. I'm not the one with my head in the sand hoping it'll all be okay in the end. I'd rather know the reality of the situation we face because ignorance is never bliss.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

'I know you are but what am I?' Doesn't really work when everything that has happened so far has been stuff that's been predicted beforehand, that brexiters were told to ignore by Micheal 'We have had enough of experts' Gove.

Suggesting I'm brainwashed is just silly considering the reality of the situation we're in. I'm not the one with my head in the sand hoping it'll all be okay in the end. I'd rather know the reality of the situation we face because ignorance is never bliss.

I'm not suggesting you are brainwashed dezzy, I'm suggesting that people outside the forum should be lumped into one category..like you do,.


I know the reality of the situation, and I firmly believe my reality isn't one of a brainwashed mass, like the labour party requires to survive in power in the UK.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I think there'd be enough of a percentage of swing voters that would swing things back to Remain but, tbh, that would just lead to years and years of Brexiter tantrums and enough tears of red faced manchildren to salt the water supply.

Another referendum would just lead to another and another. Leaving with a deal is the only real option we have.

tbf this is what remainers are currently doing, so we really couldn't complain too much if that happened

I do agree leaving with a deal is now the only palatable option

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

There we are. We are ****ed, as predicted.
Maybe when brexiters lose their annual holiday the penny will drop?

This is why I think Boris will fail... I think the EU know what his plan is and why they are refusing to accept his deal regardless of the Irish issue.
Boris was terrified of the full details being revealed even to other EU states let alone us he knows the jig would be up and he'd be outed as selling us lock stock and NHS to the USA...:/
I still have faith he can be stopped.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's utterly hilarious that Brexiters are acting this is about freedom when all they are doing is lubing themselves up for trump.

So you ain't as bothered about brexit as you make out?

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

This is why I think Boris will fail... I think the EU know what his plan is and why they are refusing to accept his deal regardless of the Irish issue..

Just a game to them huh..leaving us hanging...laughing away...


not in this house I'm afraid

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by parmnion

The remainers have thier heads so far up thier own arses they believe normally sane people can be led by slogans.


Brainwashed idiots...I pity the lot of them.

I've seen the level of knowledge displayed by brexiters. So yes, it's all slogans and magical thinking.
That's why no serious expert supports brexit, only ideological nutters or the gullible.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

I've seen the level of knowledge displayed by brexiters. So yes, it's all slogans and magical thinking.
That's why no serious expert supports brexit, only ideological nutters or the gullible.

Where have you seen this...are you a lip reader?..

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Just a game to them huh..leaving us hanging...laughing away...


not in this house I'm afraid

Yes.. they've given boris every opportunity to come up with something that ensures protection for all and he can't. . So he is stuck, they don't want his rubbish deal and we don't want no deal so he's failed...nobody else.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Yes.. they've given boris every opportunity to come up with something that ensures protection for all and he can't. . So he is stuck, they don't want his rubbish deal and we don't want no deal so he's failed...nobody else.

Really?

Who is it that demands a border with Ireland?

It's not the UK, it's the EU protecting thier borders from outsiders...whilst letting outsiders in in all other corners..


Does that not sound stubborn to you?

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Where have you seen this...are you a lip reader?..

Here for starters.
All these months of talking and have not heard a single convincing or even well constructed argument in favour of brexit.
All mouth, no trousers.
Either gullible or ideological

[Niamh.]

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by parmnion

I'm not suggesting you are brainwashed dezzy, I'm suggesting that people outside the forum should be lumped into one category..like you do,.


I know the reality of the situation, and I firmly believe my reality isn't one of a brainwashed mass, like the labour party requires to survive in power in the UK.

Ah, now this is another example of what Brexiters like to do, focus on Corbyn because that will help them focus on something other than their regrets.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Yes.. they've given boris every opportunity to come up with something that ensures protection for all and he can't. . So he is stuck, they don't want his rubbish deal and we don't want no deal so he's failed...nobody else.

Do you have a proposal as to how it can be resolved to protect all?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Cherie

tbf this is what remainers are currently doing, so we really couldn't complain too much if that happened

I do agree leaving with a deal is now the only palatable option

Not really, Remainers who don't want Brexit to become a reality have been doing things the democratic way. It's very much a case of enlightened centrism if you think that the remainers compare to the redfaced gammon that spout **** like 'opposing brexit is treason! You're a traitor if you don't think as I do!' Typically most of what Alf tends to say tbh.

The only way this ends decently is with a deal but let's be real, you can't say that both sides are as bad as each other with a straight face considering everything that has happened.