[lime]

Originally Posted by jet

For me personally there is no point in addressing anything in any depth here regarding Brexit as everyone's opinions are entrenched and the same negative and depressing views are repeated ad nauseum. The few leavers that are still here have the hearts of lions to put up with being vilified and sneered at,fair play to them!

I think msot likely you have me on ignore for simply pointing out there was loved ones lost by many..not just you.

"heart of lions"?....but cowardce away from a debate?


"Villified" "sneered".

have you heard yourself.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Here only? Where were you during the referendum campaign? It was promised everything would be easy. All concerns expressed by remainers have been branded as project fear.
Ok then. If they know better let them do it.
But they cant bc reality gets in the way. And so they get angry and lash out at remainers. Again.
Too late.

Dont blame remainers bc your dream was just that, only a dream. Take responsibility for your actions.

I'm neutral actually. I can see advandages and disadvantages to remaining or leaving. Reading here has put me a bit more on the leave side HERE because of the way they are treated.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by jet

For me personally there is no point in addressing anything in any depth here regarding Brexit as everyone's opinions are entrenched and the same negative and depressing views are repeated ad nauseum. The few leavers that are still here have the hearts of lions to put up with being vilified and sneered at,fair play to them!

One reason I cant be arsed Jet,its pointless but I wont be changing my mind on the contrary people cant debate in a polite manner.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

The English conservative government have never liked you...they don't want anyone to understand or sympathise with you. Why are you surprised they'll do down their own granny for the right wing demigods.

Dear Lord...

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by jet

For me personally there is no point in addressing anything in any depth here regarding Brexit as everyone's opinions are entrenched and the same negative and depressing views are repeated ad nauseum. The few leavers that are still here have the hearts of lions to put up with being vilified and sneered at,fair play to them!

Brexiteers - like Christians in the colosseum of TIBB. You can't simultaneously represent the will of the British people and wilt under the pressure of a few counterpoints.

I've actually made a lot of in depth appeals to the reason of brexit supporters, but the problem here is that it's not a discussion that ever takes place in good faith. I see lots of people posting evidence, statistics, and facts on the anti-brexit side, and I see meaningless phrases like will of the people, and very little information to back up the pro-brexit argument.

When people are happy to feast on slogans rather than facts, then it's no wonder you make your posts about posters rather than issues.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by arista

The DUP were fast to go on TV News and Radio
to back it.
So many say let Ireland Change their borders

Yeah my view is that will go down like a sack of **** covered potatoes.

[jet]

Originally Posted by lime

I think msot likely you have me on ignore for simply pointing out there was loved ones lost by many..not just you.

"heart of lions"?....but cowardce away from a debate?


"Villified" "sneered".

have you heard yourself.

I don't have you on ignore....you are just another voice of many, I don't recall any debate I may have had with you specifically.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jet

I don't have you on ignore....you are just another voice of many, I don't recall any debate I may have had with you specifically.

Yes that's the way to conduct a debate...put anyone with whom you disagree on ignore, genius!

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by arista

the dup were fast to go on tv news and radio
to back it.
So many say let ireland change their borders

[jet]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Yes that's the way to conduct a debate...put anyone with whom you disagree on ignore, genius!

Read what I said again. I have never put anyone on ignore.

[jet]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Brexiteers - like Christians in the colosseum of TIBB. You can't simultaneously represent the will of the British people and wilt under the pressure of a few counterpoints.

I've actually made a lot of in depth appeals to the reason of brexit supporters, but the problem here is that it's not a discussion that ever takes place in good faith. I see lots of people posting evidence, statistics, and facts on the anti-brexit side, and I see meaningless phrases like will of the people, and very little information to back up the pro-brexit argument.

When people are happy to feast on slogans rather than facts, then it's no wonder you make your posts about posters rather than issues.

Not everyone is an in - depth discussion sort of person. I certainly can be - but I wouldn't even try here if I was definately pro - leave. It's too one - sided. I wouldn't fancy being bombarded with posts refuting my views and making me feel inferior, and feeling I have to spend hours debating all of them to make them understand my points, when really, nobody is going to change their minds anyway. I have better things to do with my time.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

One reason I cant be arsed Jet,its pointless but I wont be changing my mind on the contrary people cant debate in a polite manner.

Wise words Kaz!

[arista]

[lime]

Originally Posted by jet

I don't have you on ignore....you are just another voice of many, I don't recall any debate I may have had with you specifically.

Well let's not call it a debate ...more a discussion.?
You spoke about your loss during the war..but paid no heed to those who lost loved ones by actions who are loyal to the crown.


Yes I am a voice..I'm A Boer..you have a very simular attitude to UVF who don't forget were armed by AWB

[lime]

Originally Posted by arista

The DUP were fast to go on TV News and Radio
to back it.
So many say let Ireland Change their borders

The first thing to do is stop calling it an Irish border.


It is a British border

[Alf]

I've got a compromise.

We stay in the EU, but we're in charge and the EU parliament moves to the UK, and the people vote the top people into office. And the other countries send us billions of their money so we can dish it out.

?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by lime

The first thing to do is stop calling it an Irish border.





It is a British border

I know yeah, sort out "their" border indeed

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Alf

I've got a compromise.

We stay in the EU, but we're in charge and the EU parliament moves to the UK, and the people vote the top people into office. And the other countries send us billions of their money so we can dish it out.

?

other words we give billions to britain, so we can fill the british elite their pockets even more

dumbest idea of ideas i've heard so far

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

other words we give billions to britain, so we can fill the british elite their pockets even more

dumbest idea of ideas i've heard so far

I know, who'd be dumb enough to fall for that?

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by jet

For me personally there is no point in addressing anything in any depth here regarding Brexit as everyone's opinions are entrenched and the same negative and depressing views are repeated ad nauseum. The few leavers that are still here have the hearts of lions to put up with being vilified and sneered at,fair play to them!

Well excuse us for caring and protesting when the country is about to be wrecked!
We should just roll over right? And you claim to care about the irish peace process? Dont make me laugh! The best deal for the UK and peace in ireland is no brexit at all

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Alf

It ain't been a picnic inside the EU.

Jobs and livelihoods have always been at stake. People's lives have always been ruined.

Unless you have proof it's all been perfect?

It's already been said by others that you won't accept proof, All the analysts in the world could tell you the same thing and you'll assume they've all been paid off to tell you what you don't want to hear. There's always an excuse for you not to pay attention to something that derails your argument.

No deal is a disaster and one that will not benefit anyone who isn't an elite that's after a tax break. There's a reason why the pound keeps falling every time we take a step towards no deal, there's a reason why every analyst worth their salt is predicting the worst and why even Boris' own government have risk assessments painting a grim picture of what No Deal will entail.

There's very little point in trying to tell you anything because you've proven time and time again that you'll plug your ears to it.

[Alf]

Why does the single market (which is what we signed up for) need a flag, an anthem and an army?

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by jet

I'm neutral actually. I can see advandages and disadvantages to remaining or leaving. Reading here has put me a bit more on the leave side HERE because of the way they are treated.

Bc they have no good argument for leaving, that's why!

Their arguments dont stack up or are based on lies they were told.

Just by accident we found out for example that Kazanne, one of the leavers, thought uk owned all of ireland. People cant tell the difference between EU, single market and customs union.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jet

Dear Lord...

What part of that do you disagree with?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by jet

Project fear mark 2.

I certainly don't want a no deal, but neither do I buy into the hysteria of the dire consequences of Brexit. You'd think it was the end of the world. Perhaps you shouldn't rely on your chosen newspapers and biased media and read a wider variety of opinions instead of just those that reinforce your views of doom and gloom.

How can you claim not to want no deal when you are painting all the analysts whose reputations rely on being correct to be apart of some 'biased media'?

When someone whose career revolves around making accurate predictions about the state of the economy warns against a disaster and when that view is shared among most economic experts from around the world, you listen to what they have to say. They know more than any of us and it's nothing but arrogance to brush their warnings aside because it's not something you want to hear. Are the government in on it too? Is the Yellowhammer report just part of 'Project Fear' too?

Everything that's come to pass so far has been predicted since 2016. Our economy is lurching every time No Deal becomes more of a possibility every expert is pretty much warning against the same thing. I like to live in the real world, I like to know what's coming so I can try to prepare for it, this isn't the work of biased media, all the 'doom and gloom' predictions will come to pass and no amount of hoping the grass is greener on the other side will change that.

The only way we'll make it through Brexit without triggering another recessions or worse, is by going with a deal and even that has it's own pitfalls considering the border situation.