[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Totally agree.

Regarding the opener
The whole Negan wise old man, it's just not believable after all the **** he did? Come off it

tbf Negan had saved Judith, Dog in the blizzard last season finale

and honestly i think Alexandria needs Negan as their strategic general against the whisperers, like he gave some serious good advice to Gabriel, that the people in Alexandria need calmth, even if it takes to just fake that


what Alpha, Beta did is already 100 times worse than what Negan had done, murdering dozens and then also putting their heads up on stakes just for some psychological warfare, marking their border

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

tbf Negan had saved Judith, Dog in the blizzard last season finale

and honestly i think Alexandria needs Negan as their strategic general against the whisperers, like he gave some serious good advice to Gabriel, that the people in Alexandria need calmth, even if it takes to just fake that


what Alpha, Beta did is already 100 times worse than what Negan had done, murdering dozens and then also putting their heads up on stakes just for some psychological warfare, marking their border

it's not believable from a guy who revelled in beating peoples heads open with a baseball bat, raped women and burned peoples faces. How is what she did worse than Negan, I'm curious

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

tbf Negan had saved Judith, Dog in the blizzard last season finale



and honestly i think Alexandria needs Negan as their strategic general against the whisperers, like he gave some serious good advice to Gabriel, that the people in Alexandria need calmth, even if it takes to just fake that





what Alpha, Beta did is already 100 times worse than what Negan had done, murdering dozens and then also putting their heads up on stakes just for some psychological warfare, marking their border

Negan bashed Glen and Abraham's heads in for an almost identical warning and as psychological warfare, and it was made clear that he did that every time he found a new group, so had definitely killed dozens in the same way. Saviors also killed ALL of the men from the beach group when that didn't work (though I think they might have palmed that one off on Simon?).

Still, the point stands, Negan bashed in brains to keep people in line and to enslave them. It's not really any different to cutting off heads.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

it's not believable from a guy who revelled in beating peoples heads open with a baseball bat, raped women and burned peoples faces. How is what she did worse than Negan, I'm curious

There's a SMALL chance that they're trying to say he was profoundly changed by the 6(?) years somewhat-isolated in prison which is theoretically possible, but they didn't show anything like enough of it to make it feasible in the show. They could have done an episode in early s9 showing flashbacks spanning those years with a gradual breakdown / change. A complete psychological break and recovery could trigger a drastic personality change but... They just didn't show it so the audience can't really just assume that.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Negan bashed Glen and Abraham's heads in for an almost identical warning and as psychological warfare, and it was made clear that he did that every time he found a new group, so had definitely killed dozens in the same way. Saviors also killed ALL of the men from the beach group when that didn't work (though I think they might have palmed that one off on Simon?).

Still, the point stands, Negan bashed in brains to keep people in line and to enslave them. It's not really any different to cutting off heads.

And he "stole" wives from alot of his own men (hate speaking about them like property) but yeah that's how Negan viewed them, treated them like pieces of meat for his own amusement....... definitely can't blame that on Simon

[Strictly Jake]

When was the last time we actually see someone dying and turning into a walker it seems such a long time ago its one of the best things on the show, we only see all the same type of walkers now... We aren't seeing fresh walker if that makes sense?

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Strictly Jake

When was the last time we actually see someone dying and turning into a walker it seems such a long time ago its one of the best things on the show, we only see all the same type of walkers now... We aren't seeing fresh walker if that makes sense?

It would have to be an unusual circumstance in the show as it is now, because they would have to go off, die alone, then find their way back to one of the characters to be "seen". They know to pre-emptively stab people in the brain before they turn so when people die now, they don't turn. It would be a bit of a plot hole if they just let them turn.

[Strictly Jake]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It would have to be an unusual circumstance in the show as it is now, because they would have to go off, die alone, then find their way back to one of the characters to be "seen". They know to pre-emptively stab people in the brain before they turn so when people die now, they don't turn. It would be a bit of a plot hole if they just let them turn.

Yeah but that's a shame it was always a great part

[Nicky91]

episode 2 tonight

this one is more about the origins of the whisperers, so we're getting a full background story into how they were formed

Spoiler:

Thora Birch's introduction as Gamma, and also how they created the commander like code names for themselves, and Beta's personal life we get some details about him either how he became a ruthless, force to be reckoned with

[Nicky91]

the castings for the whisperers so far have been amazing

Samantha deserves a emmy for her role as Alpha, it's so convincing how she plays that sadistic villain, more convincing than Negan as villain (whom i like more now)

Ryan a badass mean sonuvabitch, falling down a elevator shaft and surviving, Beta is definitely a great right hand man for alpha

Cassady, glad she turned to the good guys, but she also plays the role of Lydia really well

am curious for

Spoiler:

Thora as Gamma

, if she'll deliver her role well

[Josy]

I cant stand the way samantha acts, I know I'm in the minority but she just completely overacts? the part imo, even the way she walks as a walker is overacted, she annoys me.

[Nicky91]

Samantha acts a bit like Zelda Rubinstein from Poltergeist i kinda like that for the creepy horror genre

it was very nice seeing how Alpha and Beta first met each other, also Beta's walker skin is from his best friend, so yeah he has been through a lot and that has made him this bit of a psychopathic loner at first, and he thoroughly believes in Alpha's cause

also for the whisperers, the living are dead, while the dead are the living


the birth of Gamma wow just coldly saying your sister wasn't a true follower

good acting from Thora anyway


also some nice bit of zombie action in the flashbacks, early twd days

[Strictly Jake]

Yeah it was a good episode last night m. Maybe a bit slow in places but I liked the fact we could develop a better understanding of alpha and beta and actually see alpha does have some feelings left

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Josy

I cant stand the way samantha acts, I know I'm in the minority but she just completely overacts? the part imo, even the way she walks as a walker is overacted, she annoys me.

I didn't mind her at the start but I find her really annoying now, wasn't a fan of a whole episode about her either tbh. This season has started out a bit crap tbh, FTWD is so much better

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I didn't mind her at the start but I find her really annoying now, wasn't a fan of a whole episode about her either tbh. This season has started out a bit crap tbh, FTWD is so much better

Ah really, I'm glad I'm not alone then

We watched the first season on FTWD a couple of years ago but then just fell away from it, might give it another go actually

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Josy

Ah really, I'm glad I'm not alone then

We watched the first season on FTWD a couple of years ago but then just fell away from it, might give it another go actually

It gets better season by season, you should give it another go

[DouglasS]

I was going to start fear the walking dead but never did. I watched TWD until the end of season 7 and got bored. I’ve heard from friends though that fear the walking dead has completely changed and for the worse since they dramatically changed the cast to include TWD characters? Might give it a go anyway as seasons 1-4 of the walking dead I did love especially

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I didn't mind her at the start but I find her really annoying now, wasn't a fan of a whole episode about her either tbh. This season has started out a bit crap tbh, FTWD is so much better

guess you didn't play telltale twd final season then, there it was explained (a more teaser towards these whisperers pre their introduction in the series) also how some of them feel the souls of walkers, same what alpha said in last nights episode, the dead don't have names anymore, all of that is history for them, they move freely across the country

one scene in that game is where you enter a house filled with walkers, and touching a bell, music plays and walkers listen to calm classical music, meaning they still have a personality and not just rotting flesh and bones

i find the whisperers myself, more a cult


and this season has started quite well, both eps 1 & 2 are around the same dates (we see that because of the crashing satellite) so it's a good start to see this specific date from both Alexandria/oceanside/hilltop and the whisperers sides

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by DouglasS

I was going to start fear the walking dead but never did. I watched TWD until the end of season 7 and got bored. I’ve heard from friends though that fear the walking dead has completely changed and for the worse since they dramatically changed the cast to include TWD characters? Might give it a go anyway as seasons 1-4 of the walking dead I did love especially

I disagree with your friends there, I think it's getting better and better

[Natalie.]

FTWD 1-3 was really good, but then they made too many changes and it just keeps getting worse.

I liked this episode of TWD surprisingly, I didn't think I would

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Natalie.

FTWD 1-3 was really good, but then they made too many changes and it just keeps getting worse.

I liked this episode of TWD surprisingly, I didn't think I would

Completely the other way round for me; it did get better season-on-season from S1 - 3 however I don't think it found it's own "soul" until the introduction of Morgan, John Dory & June, Althea etc. in S4, and Daniel Salazar was a welcome return this season too.

They cut the dead weight early (Travis and Chris, both annoying, the latter insufferable) and while Madison and Nick were great characters early on, they got stuck in a serious rut. They could have done more with Nick but it didn't seem to be on the cards.

It *is* like a whole new show, but I think Alicia (who got a tonne of character development from S3 onwards after having practically zero in S1 and 2) and Strand and now Daniel provide a decent link to the show's past.

[Nicky91]

Negan and Aaron's scenes also Negan saving Aaron's life


Rosita still being in this show she's become such a background character now


Carol hallucinating, those scenes were also filmed very great

another good episode, good build up episode, it's working towards something i guess

[Nicky91]

ok episode 4

Michonne & Ezekiel kissed


Negan saving Lydia from those emotionally broken highwaymen gang who tried to abuse her, someone had let Negan out, helped him escape although for me personally he doesn't deserve being locked up there, he now saved aaron, Lydia, he is proving to be among the good guys, wanting to make things right


more backstory info about Magna, Yumiko


we saw Judith and Michonne fight walkers together aw


and i think something is gonna happen next episode, since we heard someone from oceanside on the radio calling to Michonne (her, judith and luke travelling to oceanside)

[Nicky91]

my fave characters from episode 4 are Lydia, Negan, Judith and Daryl

[Strictly Jake]

I feel this series is pretty great so far and I like how they have reintroduced music back into the program it feels like old times

Last weeks was a brilliant episode

This one wasn't as good but it's a good lead up to the whisperers war

And I bloody love negan so much