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09-10-2019, 11:44 AM | #126 | |||
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09-10-2019, 11:48 AM | #127 | |||
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All hail the Moyesiah
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I'm thinking of going to see this today but as a rule I'm not really a fan of superhero films and don't really know much about the Batman universe so not sure I'd be that into it?
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09-10-2019, 11:50 AM | #128 | |||
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The Italian Job
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Go see it. You're going to love it!
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09-10-2019, 11:50 AM | #129 | |||
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There's no actual superhero stuff in it either
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09-10-2019, 11:54 AM | #130 | |||
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Joaquin Phoenix performance is enough to go and see it.
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09-10-2019, 12:17 PM | #131 | ||
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My reason for this is that the entire point of the Joker is that he is an "avatar of chaos". There is no how or why to him, there is no complex trauma behind him, he just IS, because he enjoys it, the violence and chaos, for no reason that anyone would understand. It's the same reason that while I love Ledger's performance in Dark Knight Rises, he isn't my "best joker" in terms of the lore. But the Nolan films in general are really more interpretations of than representations of Batman lore (Batman is underskilled and underpowered, the tech / Batmobile etc is a more "realistic" take, etc.) But yeah. I haven't seen Joker and it might be a great standalone film (I've read mixed reactions) BUT no matter what, I stand by my opinion that explaining the Joker ruins the Joker. Last edited by Toy Soldier; 09-10-2019 at 12:18 PM. |
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09-10-2019, 12:26 PM | #132 | |||
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Saw this last night and i will give it 8/10. First half was good but a bit meh at times but the second half was great especially the last 30 minutes. Joaquin Phoenix‘s performance was fantastic however i prefer Heath.
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09-10-2019, 12:30 PM | #133 | |||
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I think theyre equally brilliant and Oscar worthy.
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09-10-2019, 12:32 PM | #134 | |||
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Of course for me The Joker will always be Jack Nicholson.
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09-10-2019, 12:46 PM | #135 | |||
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I disagree that explaining the Joker ruins him though, it makes me more interested in him tbh
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09-10-2019, 12:55 PM | #136 | |||
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Yes, I don't think explaining the Joker ruins him. Quite the contrary. Because to me he's always been such a fascinating character.
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09-10-2019, 01:46 PM | #137 | ||
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It doesn't make for a bad alternative take on the Joker but it does fundamentally alter the character. If he is just a psychologically broken man twisted by trauma then he is simply -not- chaotic, his actions are a very explainable form of mental illness.
The classic Joker isn't broken in that way, his actions don't come from a place of pain or anger, his violence has always come from a totally random place of "Well why not?". His sheer unpredictability is vital to the character as a villain for Batman because Batman is "the great detective"... A genius who can see patterns in everything and solve these questions... But he can never predict The Joker. Like I said I haven't seen the film and it may well be a fantastic version of a character with similar traits, but I can't accept it as an origin story for THE actual Joker (and the film makers have stated emphatically that it is not that and not intended to be that). Last edited by Toy Soldier; 09-10-2019 at 01:51 PM. |
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09-10-2019, 01:51 PM | #138 | ||
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And I know Ledger's joker didn't have specific origin but he was played as a deeply angry and broken individual. He was fantastic and like I said, a great version of The Joker for Nolan's interpretation of Batman, but that trilogy was entirely intended to be a more grounded interpretation of the material. Bane wasn't huge and green, for example, and characters like Batman himself and Catwoman had much more "realistic" human abilities than most versions. In fact, a huge theme of Dark Knight Rises was Batman's realistic physical fragility.
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09-10-2019, 02:51 PM | #139 | |||
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There might be a roundabout way of explaining that away but it is not that believable. Slight spoiler... Spoiler: The film does want you to think it is part of the Batman mythology. |
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09-10-2019, 02:56 PM | #140 | |||
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09-10-2019, 04:05 PM | #141 | ||
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Unclear though if Joker is just meant to be a standalone movie unrelated to the wider universe, or if (like I said) he's a sort of "proto-Joker" who inspired "Batman's Joker", especially as Joker is I think supposed to be set in the early 80's and "current era" Batman would only have been a child at the time... by the time he's full-blown Batman, this Joker would be drawing his pension. And while the Joker is usually depicted as older than Batman, it's more a guy in his 50's, not pushing 70! Anyway... I think I did read a quote from one of the writers or maybe the director of Joker who even himself suggested that maybe this Joker inspired the eventual "Prince of Crime" Joker. |
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09-10-2019, 04:08 PM | #142 | |||
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I really liked the style and feel of the movie. You can tell how much Todd likes Scorsese.
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10-10-2019, 02:53 AM | #143 | |||
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Saw this last night. Preeeeeeeeetty dark but great movie nonetheless
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12-10-2019, 04:44 PM | #144 | |||
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This has already made over $300MILLION in one week - wow! Budget was “only” $55MILLION.
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12-10-2019, 06:05 PM | #145 | |||
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I want to see it again for Joaquin incredible performance
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12-10-2019, 06:29 PM | #146 | |||
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12-10-2019, 08:29 PM | #147 | |||
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Why So Serious?
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12-10-2019, 08:29 PM | #148 | |||
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Here for it grossing a billion.
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13-10-2019, 04:15 PM | #149 | |||
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My mate has just given me a free ticket for tomorrow. So I'm gonna go see it.
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13-10-2019, 05:57 PM | #150 | |||
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Popped into town earlier with my mate just for a look around and ended up sacking off the shops because of horrible weather and opted to see this instead on a whim.
Both of us absolutely loved it, it's really brilliant. I can definitely see all of the Scorcese influence in this, it's like King of Comedy (De Niro's character in this could easily have been modern-day Rupert Pupkin!) meets Taxi Driver meets some sort of more unsettling, psychological horror. Phenomenal performance by Phoenix (as usual). It was everything I hoped and MORE! Probably the best comic book or "superhero movie" (I use that term extremely loosely for this) ever. Last edited by LaLaLand; 13-10-2019 at 05:58 PM. |
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