[bitontheslide]

Does anyone here remember the murder of police woman Yvonne Fletcher?

She was shot by people using sub machine guns from the Libyan Embassy in 1984

The inquest into Fletcher's death reached a verdict that she was "killed by a bullet coming from one of two windows on the west side of the front on the first floor of the Libyan People's Bureau".[1] Following the breaking of diplomatic relations, Libya arrested six British nationals, the last four of whom were released after nine months in captivity.

Two years after Fletcher's murder, the event became a factor in the decision by the British prime minister, Margaret Thatcher, to allow the US bombing of Libya from bases in the UK. In 1999 a warming of diplomatic relations between Britain and Libya led to a statement from the Libyan government admitting culpability in Fletcher's shooting, and the payment of compensation. British police continued their investigation until 2017. Although sufficient evidence existed to prosecute one of the co-conspirators, no charges were brought as some of the evidence could not be raised in court due to national security concerns. As at 2018 no one has been convicted of Fletcher's murder.

A more extreme case perhaps, but the same principles applied back then.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

the problem is that unless the people get total, unquestionable immunity they are then vulnerable to kidnap, false charges, imprisonment .... thats why it is total immunity. We have the right to expel diplomats as we see fit, but that is the extent of our jurisdiction

I don't really know much about this topic tbh. But does this mean basically, they can commit crimes and have them waived? Kind of like when you are a police informant (or thats how it seems in shows..dont know much about that either in all honesty )

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I don't really know much about this topic tbh. But does this mean basically, they can commit crimes and have them waived? Kind of like when you are a police informant (or thats how it seems in shows..dont know much about that either in all honesty )

they are basically above the law. They cannot be prosecuted under any circumstances no matter what crime is committed. This is a world wide thing

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

they are basically above the law. They cannot be prosecuted under any circumstances no matter what crime is committed. This is a world wide thing

Thats utterly disgraceful then, IMO.

Will look into this. Seems a ridiculous decision, even moreso if its the whole world, rather that just us, protecting people who like..potentially commit murder and such :S

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Thats utterly disgraceful then, IMO.

Will look into this. Seems a ridiculous decision, even moreso if its the whole world, rather that just us, protecting people who like..potentially commit murder and such :S

well they are there as representatives of foreign governments, so the governments should only be appointing people of the highest integrity. However, many of the diplomats are basically spies that go around assassinating people they don't like so ...... well, its the only method there is to protect the good guys that are there to look after their country's citizens

[Toy Soldier]

Diplomatic immunity is important for the reasons bots has stated and its important that the HOST country can't over-ride immunity, because of the risk of corruption and false charges.

However, I think it should be expected as a matter of etiquette that when it is a genuine crime or legal issue, the diplomats country of origin waives immunity and proceedings go ahead.

Best of both worlds then as it removes the risk to the diplomat from the host country, as the ability to arrest / pursue charges would always have to be triggered by the diplomat's home country.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Does anyone here remember the murder of police woman Yvonne Fletcher?

She was shot by people using sub machine guns from the Libyan Embassy in 1984



A more extreme case perhaps, but the same principles applied back then.

It is literally nothing like what has happened here.... Nothing.

[parmnion]

These are the diplomats that we are to believe when they spout of how bad brexit will be

......I don't think so sonny jim


Crooked bastards

[Marsh.]

I thought diplomatic immunity was in relation to another country's laws being in anyway different to that of their home country? So they are "immune" from it? How is she allowed to be "immune" from being involved in someone's death?

[Ammi]

...apparently, diplomatic immunity doesn’t apply to Anne Sacoolas...and she has actually been fully cooperative with the police since the incident.../...the story is not how it has been reported in the media...is what the media are reporting now../...confusing...

https://news.sky.com/story/diplomats...rents-11833917

[Ammi]

The UK and US have agreed to end the "anomaly" that allowed the woman suspected of causing Harry Dunn's death to claim diplomatic immunity.

A court heard last month that the "secret agreement" permitted Anne Sacoolas to return to her home country after a road crash which killed the 19-year-old in August last year outside RAF Croughton in Northamptonshire.

Despite the document now being amended, Harry's alleged killer still remains in the US.

His mother Charlotte Charles said the announcement was a "huge step forward" - adding that one of the family's aims was for this to "never happen to another family again".

But she added their campaign would continue for Ms Sacoolas to be brought back to the UK.

Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab said the changes mean a similar tragedy "could not happen again".


He added: "I know these changes won't bring Harry back, and I appreciate the pain and suffering the family are still going through.

https://news.sky.com/story/harry-dun...omaly-12033855

[Oliver_W]

Diplomatic immunity should only be applied in this case if it turns out she's secretly a CIA agent and Harry Dunn was some kind of terrorist, which I'd say is ... unlikely.

I'm pretty sure diplomatic immunity was never meant to be for cases where reckless driving took an innocent life.

[Captain.Remy]

No diplomatic immunity for anybody. Plain and simple.
You did something wrong, your job shouldn't keep you safe from consequences.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Diplomatic immunity should only be applied in this case if it turns out she's secretly a CIA agent and Harry Dunn was some kind of terrorist, which I'd say is ... unlikely.

I'm pretty sure diplomatic immunity was never meant to be for cases where reckless driving took an innocent life.

I agree. I see the need for diplomatic immunity but up till now it's been easily flouted.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It is literally nothing like what has happened here.... Nothing.

Except two people died in the two incidents, and two people got away with it due to diplomatic immunity. So maybe a little like what happened here.