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19-10-2019, 06:03 PM | #1 | |||
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I came across the following article and thought it was interesting in the context of some of comments I see on here... about whether peoples' attitudes to things get more conservative as they get older. Or will the attitudes and views of the younger generation today eventually replace those of older people?
I would say more the former - people, in some ways, get more conservative with a small-c as they get older. Quote:
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19-10-2019, 06:16 PM | #2 | |||
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I don't know so much if it's age that makes people conservative, but experience and responsibility.
Nearly everyone I know who's right-leaning regardless of age have decent jobs, homes, and families (in some not all cases). Most of the left-leaning and especially Corbynites I know either work crappy jobs or are unemployed - even if they're pushing 40! |
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19-10-2019, 06:21 PM | #3 | ||
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19-10-2019, 06:24 PM | #4 | |||
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At no point did I say all, I was just talking about people I know.
Ignore this personal question if you wish: - what are your political views - and what is your employment situation? |
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19-10-2019, 06:25 PM | #5 | ||
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Left leaning and self employed
As is my bf who works in the City |
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19-10-2019, 06:29 PM | #6 | |||
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Define a 'crappy job'? There are people I know well into their 40's or 50's who work as civil servants or in housing or for charities who dont earn big private sector money but if you think such jobs are 'crappy' that's your generalization, no one elses. I think its too easy to do what Oliver has just done and think political ideals are linked to status.
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19-10-2019, 06:54 PM | #7 | |||
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being in london today all the ****ing protestors seems to be in there 70s. the whole idea that brexiter are old farts is completely unfounded
What ****ing loons these people I saw today were, and I saw quite a few were missing chromosomes also.
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19-10-2019, 07:17 PM | #8 | |||
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No, some people just decide to start getting all their news from the Daily Heil and The Scum
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19-10-2019, 07:44 PM | #9 | ||
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Swings and roundabouts. Before I had kids I was a straight-up anarchist at heart; I'd have seen the world torn down around me and called that justice. I thought the capitalist system, the whole concept of government really, was an unnecessary sham and a joke. Not very conservative.
At the same time, I had very little sympathy for those on benefits, the disabled, immigrants, or really anyone who wasn't me which is Conservative-with-a-big-C through and through isn't it? Age and experience have made me far more sympathetic and thus far more supportive of socialist policies, because I understand that the world is the way it is and thus they are necessary. On the same note - recognising that the world is the way it is - I understand that various systems of capitalism are necessary for the world to continue to function as well. We need a balance of both. Is the system still trash? Of course it is, absolutely, but I suppose as you age what you gain is pragmatism over idealism; you start to realise that just shouting "OMG the system is trash lol" and tearing it down over night actually means poverty, misery, and the absolute destruction of millions of lives. I've sort of lost what I'm saying here. I guess what I mean is, as you get a bit older you (hopefully) lose some of the naivety and idealism. But that could go either way, depending on how that looked when the person was young? Some young people believe that a totally fair and equal utopia is possible and age/wisdom, on them, probably looks like a slide towards conservatism in realising that the world is never going to work that way. On the other hand, some naive people - often those born into financial comfort - think all benefits should be scrapped and that taxation is terribly unfair, and that if poor people "only worked a bit harder" they'd have plenty of money. Age and wisdom on those people... the ones who actually gain it... would look like a slide to the left, as they begin to understand that taxation and social support is the glue holding their comfortable world together. Last edited by Toy Soldier; 19-10-2019 at 07:46 PM. |
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19-10-2019, 09:14 PM | #10 | |||
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Where does the 'I'm alright jack' attitude materialise.. 30k pa? 40k? 50k?
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19-10-2019, 10:09 PM | #11 | ||
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20-10-2019, 12:25 PM | #12 | |||
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I don’t think they get more conservative. I think they are just more likely to get bored of looking for solutions and start looking for blame, so they fit in well with right wings ‘well it’s not my ****ing fault’ mantra.
I honestly think blame vs solutions is the main difference between right and left nowadays.
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20-10-2019, 01:35 PM | #13 | |||
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Reading the article I don't see the relevance to conservatism in a political sense more a theoretical.
It's an article that cronicals this reporters attitudinal differences to the other generations and their interpretation of gender and fashion in comparison to her own. Gen x people who don't subscribe to them/ they pronouns are not conservative thinkers imo but it does suggest a rigidity that younger generations balk at. When I think of conservative I think of the new right sociological perspectives in relation to the family, law and order, crime and punishment, unemployment, immigration. I agree that some people do change their perspective I guess those people for me are the free lovers of the 60s the boomers who now form an ocean of grey at farage love ins.... I dont know why this is, maybe it's complacency, that they struggled so others must struggle, a need to protect the status quo?
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20-10-2019, 01:40 PM | #14 | |||
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Conservatives are getting less conservative as time goes on too though...
No Tory would’ve voted for gay rights not so long ago, now the older generation barely care. Wouldn’t be surprised if the tories in 2030 looks exactly like Lib Dem’s today (apart from the not taxing the rich bit, that’s there to stay).
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20-10-2019, 02:25 PM | #15 | |||
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I agree in part the traditional tories are diluting, but there is a new scarier breed taking over imo the ERG members and their followers.
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20-10-2019, 02:35 PM | #16 | ||
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If people became more conservative as they got older, we wouldn't have made as much societal progress as we have made since the 60's.
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20-10-2019, 03:40 PM | #17 | |||
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I'd say on social issues society will become more liberal as people get older, but on financial issues people get more conservative for whatever reason, maybe family.
I wasn't just thinking about politics - that's why I said small-c conservative. |
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20-10-2019, 03:55 PM | #18 | |||
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I'd say if people follow one perspective for one issue, say benefits that follows for others such as homelessness.
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20-10-2019, 04:11 PM | #19 | |||
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Everyones lives are dynamic, and our views are shaped by our experiences. I dont think we can say people become more conservative, but they are likely to take the path of least risk as they get older, which is pure common sense given that their capability to shape their destiny is much reduced.
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20-10-2019, 06:16 PM | #20 | |||
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Some people on this forum couldn't get more conservative in any sense if they tried James, so don't worry
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20-10-2019, 08:25 PM | #21 | ||
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20-10-2019, 08:53 PM | #22 | |||
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Totally depends on the circumstances at any given time.
Also depends on how far from the centre the party venture |
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20-10-2019, 09:57 PM | #23 | |||
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I think it's the fact that people don't like change and as people get older they'll lean more towards right wing parties as those types of parties tend to like to keep the status quo from two decades ago.
For example the internet in 20 years time could be an outdated platform and something else could be in trend with the younger crowd, and Labour would win over the younger crowd by embracing the new technology, and the younger generations political views, whilst the Tories soak up what is now the middle aged Millenials by embracing the internet and the views that Millennials in general embrace thus those Millennials distancing themselves from Labour, and leaning more towards the Conservative mindset.
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30-10-2019, 12:47 PM | #24 | |||
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This story was on the front page of The Times the other day - 'Liberal attitudes on the rise . . . unless you’re having an affair or in politics' - https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/l...tics-ntbj6ct8r
More information and a link to the survey is here - https://www.kcl.ac.uk/news/how-brita...-just-30-years |
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30-10-2019, 01:45 PM | #25 | |||
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No; it's just easier to turn people against others than it is to convince people of the greater good.
Those 1980's gay enemies have been replaced by 2019 enemies, and people reward conservatism for giving them permission to treat others poorly.
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