[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

So every person of ethnic minority got a pity job and all the white people got theirs on merit?

Cute.

Zoe ball and the girl at drive time got their jobs as the BBC were desperate to shoehorn in women to radio 2. Happens all the time with the bbc

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Zoe ball and the girl at drive time got their jobs as the BBC were desperate to shoehorn in women to radio 2. Happens all the time with the bbc

I do apologise... ahem...

So, every person of ethnic minority or of the female gender got a pity job and all the white men got theirs on merit?

Cute.

[Livia]

I love Sara Cox. She should have had the breakfast show. All those years I put up with Chris bloody Evans and then we get.... Zoe Ball.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I do apologise... ahem...

So, every person of ethnic minority or of the female gender got a pity job and all the white men got theirs on merit?

Cute.

Not every one that would be silly but it's clear you don't follow what has been going on at radio 2cand 4

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Not every one that would be silly but it's clear you don't follow what has been going on at radio 2cand 4

It's clear you have a problem with diversity, yes. And use such things to mock and ridicule women and people of colour as somehow less than their white male counterparts. We're well aware.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

It's clear you have a problem with diversity, yes. And use such things to mock and ridicule women and people of colour as somehow less than their white male counterparts. We're well aware.

I have a problem with jobs that dont to the best persothe reaso why, because people fear they will get the blame

Just look what happened to Simon mayo on drive

Stuck Jo Whillie in with him ruined the show he left and Sarah Cox is now doing a much worse job and losing listners hand over fist

Diversity my backside, it's people worried about being blamed

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

So every person of ethnic minority got a pity job and all the white people got theirs on merit?

Cute.

I obviously didn't mean that. But hiring for diversity does happen, and it shouldn't.

Something else that shouldn't happen is hiring based on legacy - if anyone but Ben Elton had written that crappy health and safety "comedy" from a few years back, it wouldn't be made.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Look up, that's the joke going over your head.

Or a bread roll. One or the other.

What page is it on?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I have a problem with jobs that dont to the best persothe reaso why, because people fear they will get the blame

Which always happens to be the women and ethnic minorities. You don't have to keep explaining, I understand.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

What page is it on?

752, paragraph 3

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Which always happens to be the women and ethnic minorities. You don't have to keep explaining, I understand.

They're the ones who benefit from diversity hiring practices funnily enough lol.

Just like how old white guys usually benefit from being hired based on their names.

Neither things should happen, as both can result in someone getting a job they might not be right for.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

They're the ones who benefit from diversity hiring practices funnily enough lol.

Not what I said funnily enough... lol.

I was referring to the people LT points out as "jobs that don't go to the best person".

I.e. a woman or person of colour I don't like therefore I'll take that as confirmation they were hired for their race and/or genitals and nothing else.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Not what I said funnily enough... lol.

I was referring to the people LT points out as "jobs that don't go to the best person".

I.e. a woman or person of colour I don't like therefore I'll take that as confirmation they were hired for their race and/or genitals and nothing else.

It seemed like LT was referring to cases where the best person literally wasn't chosen, and the decision was made based on inconsequential surface traits. I doubt you actually think he was saying women or minorities are never the best person.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

752, paragraph 3

What is the name of the **** ?


B o o k.?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

It was a private lads conversation. not my business.

Well..Maybe that's the difference between 'lads' and men?...

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

It seemed like LT was referring to cases where the best person literally wasn't chosen, and the decision was made based on inconsequential surface traits.

Oh, it literally wasn't? Oh right, silly me, there was me thinking it was based on your opinions. I didn't realise it literally was based on who you literally think fit the role.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

What is the name of the **** ?


B o o k.?

Yes?

[parmnion]

Found it yes...you were correct, I'm not used to your jokes

[Marsh.]

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Oh, it literally wasn't? Oh right, silly me, there was me thinking it was based on your opinions. I didn't realise it literally was based on who you literally think fit the role.

It doesn't matter what i think, due to dodgy hiring practices the wrong people sometimes end up getting the position.

Happens everywhere, not just the media.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

It doesn't matter what i think

Well, it kind of does when the people who apparently have undeservedly been given jobs is based on your opinion of them, and they just happen to literally be a woman or POC and therefore literally got their job as a box tick.

Or are you saying you're objectively more equipped to hire people for broadcast television/radio?

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Well, it kind of does when the people who apparently have undeservedly been given jobs is based on your opinion of them, and they just happen to literally be a woman or POC and therefore literally got their job as a box tick.

The BBC has diversity commitments, so in some cases that's how women and minorities will have gotten their jobs. That is undeserved.

Sometimes people get jobs because they who-you-know their way in. That is undeserved.

Sometimes people get jobs through nepotism. That is undeserved.


Or a woman, a minority, an industry veteran, or the kid of someone famous will write a great script/perform a great audition/be really funny ... And get hired. That is deserved.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

The BBC has diversity commitments, so in some cases that's how women and minorities will have gotten their jobs. That is undeserved.

Not really. Having a policy to raise racial/gender diversity doesn't equate to hiring any woman or POC that walks through the door. That's just plucking at an excuse so that any woman or POC that you don't like gets the "hired on their genetics not their talent" label. It's bullish*t.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Not really. Having a policy to raise racial/gender diversity doesn't equate to hiring any woman or POC that walks through the door. That's just plucking at an excuse so that any woman or POC that you don't like gets the "hired on their genetics not their talent" label. It's bullish*t.

Their gender or ethnicity shouldn't come into it.

Having more women and/or minorities isn't a good or bad thing. What matters is how good they are at their job.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Their gender or ethnicity shouldn't come into it.

Having more women and/or minorities isn't a good or bad thing. What matters is how good they are at their job.

I never said it wasn't. You are assuming how good they are at their job does not come into it. You're showing your own colours with that one.