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Nick Robinson
Southampton
58mins.


Brings the Final Corbyn Vs Johnson
Live

No Commercial breaks on this one.

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Live Now,


Corbyn gets the First Statement.

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Corbyn is Struggling on Brexit


Johnson PM brought up
The Corbyn and IRA Association.

And

And

Debate Poll Results
52% Johnson
48% Corbyn

[Kizzy]

Corbyn did really well and Johnson was let off very lightly!! He was questioning Corbyn directly at one point not sure why that was allowed. And when the question of how parties would fund their spending boris just redirected his answer at labour without any protest that he was avoiding any accountability!!

He relied heavily on his soundbites and fudged answer to the questions as to who was responsible for the failure to monitor terrorists.

The audience was predominantly male and old too I thought, not as diverse as in previous debates. The Irish border question was glossed over and the selling off of the NHS played down despite actual proof being found to support both outcomes...

You could see boris pulling faces and making stupid noises when corbyn made any valid point, like a child. I don't believe he came out on top in that debate at all.

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[LaLaLand]

I thought Corbyn absolutely smashed that one tbh.

Clear, valid points made throughout by Jez whilst Johnson repeated the same rephrased answer to every single question.

If there was a "Get Brexit Done" drinking game I'd be paralytic rn!

[arista]

Originally Posted by LaLaLand

I thought Corbyn absolutely smashed that one tbh.

Clear, valid points made throughout by Jez whilst Johnson repeated the same rephrased answer to every single question.

If there was a "Get Brexit Done" drinking game I'd be paralytic rn!

Yes it was better than
the ITV Live Debate.
But Corbyn failed to
give a killer punch

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Corbyn did really well and Johnson was let off very lightly!! He was questioning Corbyn directly at one point not sure why that was allowed. And when the question of how parties would fund their spending boris just redirected his answer at labour without any protest that he was avoiding any accountability!!

He relied heavily on his soundbites and fudged answer to the questions as to who was responsible for the failure to monitor terrorists.

The audience was predominantly male and old too I thought, not as diverse as in previous debates. The Irish border question was glossed over and the selling off of the NHS played down despite actual proof being found to support both outcomes...

You could see boris pulling faces and making stupid noises when corbyn made any valid point, like a child. I don't believe he came out on top in that debate at all.

Glad I avoided it then Kizzy

Tories are always denying the NHS would be sold off , and its always laughed off .

Boris is a dithering idiot , he can't speak properly let alone answer any questions. He really is a waste of space ! .

[bitontheslide]

i didn't watch it and from what i can read, it was same old stories. Corbyn really had to excel during these debates to displace the tories, and he hasn't so it's going to be a tough ask for him to get a good majority. There are still a few days to go, so anything is still possible

[Kizzy]

If you had watched it you'd see he did excel, he was rational, measured, factual and concise. Boris said ' get brexit done' 3 times in the first 4 mins, he waffled and used his faux stutter throughout, as per used a lot of words but didn't manage to say anything.

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

If you had watched it you'd see he did excel, he was rational, measured, factual and concise. Boris said ' get brexit done' 3 times in the first 4 mins, he waffled and used his faux stutter throughout, as per used a lot of words but didn't manage to say anything.

he excelled to you because you already support him. As a neutral in this one, i still maintain they are both crap, and thats not going to change at this point.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

he excelled to you because you already support him. As a neutral in this one, i still maintain they are both crap, and thats not going to change at this point.

Then watch it.. how can you decide who makes the most valid argument unless you do?

[Kizzy]

his first direct attack on Mr Johnson, who he had previously pleaded with to stop politicising the death of his son, he said: “[Jeremy] Corbyn spoke the truth last night. Johnson lied & used our son’s death to make political capital.

He added: “Wake up Britain: this man is a fraud. He’s the worst of us, & he’s taking you for a ride. You may think the options open to you in this election are not entirely to your liking. Me neither, but I’ll be voting least worst option: anti-Tory.”*


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ind...956.html%3famp

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Then watch it.. how can you decide who makes the most valid argument unless you do?

i read the summaries on the news sites, their delivery may change, but that doesnt change the fundamentals. You cant polish a turd

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i read the summaries on the news sites, their delivery may change, but that doesnt change the fundamentals. You cant polish a turd

But isn't that the same as your issue with my opinion? It's from my perception as a Corbyn supporter.
It's exactly the same with the views in the papers, they are someone else's reaction to the debate. Your reaction may be different.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

“Wake up Britain: this man is a fraud. He’s the worst of us, & he’s taking you for a ride. You may think the options open to you in this election are not entirely to your liking. Me neither, but I’ll be voting least worst option: anti-Tory.”

That about sums up the current situation IMO. Are any of the options ideal? Absolutely not but we're fooling ourselves if we think we can find an ideal option. But currently the Tories are an absolute shambles, and Boris is a disaster. He is a showman, a liar, and completely out of his depth but will never admit that to himself so he's forging forward like a bull in a china shop. Honestly, at this point we can pretty much forget about the potential damage that Brexit may cause... it pales in comparison to the damage that BoJo could do all on his own, Brexit or no Brexit.

[Kizzy]

As a Scot TS, with this tactical voting could you see anyone who would normally vote SNP voting Labour to keep boris out?

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

As a Scot TS, with this tactical voting could you see anyone who would normally vote SNP voting Labour to keep boris out?

As far as I know, Labour have blown themselves out of the water in Scotland... they don't even campaign in my area. Tory leaflets have been constant (puppy likes to shred them ), and the SNP candidate has been at my door himself in person, twice.

The battles have all been all SNP/Tory in 2015 and 2017 and it's the same again this time. In fact, if anything, the best option would be for Lab and Lib Dem voters to tactically vote SNP in contested areas and I think a fair few might do that. As I've said before... Scottish voters, even if they do NOT want Scottish Indy, should currently be voting SNP simply because the Tories have no interest in protecting Scotland from the worst of cuts etc... and it's the best way to combat them here. I think based on the numbers, there ARE already quite a few who vote SNP in general elections but voted (and still would vote) "no" to independence.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

As far as I know, Labour have blown themselves out of the water in Scotland... they don't even campaign in my area. Tory leaflets have been constant (puppy likes to shred them ), and the SNP candidate has been at my door himself in person, twice.

The battles have all been all SNP/Tory in 2015 and 2017 and it's the same again this time. In fact, if anything, the best option would be for Lab and Lib Dem voters to tactically vote SNP in contested areas and I think a fair few might do that. As I've said before... Scottish voters, even if they do NOT want Scottish Indy, should currently be voting SNP simply because the Tories have no interest in protecting Scotland from the worst of cuts etc... and it's the best way to combat them here. I think based on the numbers, there ARE already quite a few who vote SNP in general elections but voted (and still would vote) "no" to independence.

Ah right well in that case let's hope the tactical vote goes to the SNP and not the lib dems :/

[Kizzy]

I'm liking the idea of a coalition with the SNP if I'm honest, it would make UK politics more representative of the union as a whole.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I'm liking the idea of a coalition with the SNP if I'm honest, it would make UK politics more representative of the union as a whole.

I weirdly think that under "usual circumstances" it wouldn't be the best form of government, but after the last 5 years it would actually be a good "short term" coalition that would repair at least some of the social damage that's been done to the country.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

As far as I know, Labour have blown themselves out of the water in Scotland... they don't even campaign in my area. Tory leaflets have been constant (puppy likes to shred them ), and the SNP candidate has been at my door himself in person, twice.

The battles have all been all SNP/Tory in 2015 and 2017 and it's the same again this time. In fact, if anything, the best option would be for Lab and Lib Dem voters to tactically vote SNP in contested areas and I think a fair few might do that. As I've said before... Scottish voters, even if they do NOT want Scottish Indy, should currently be voting SNP simply because the Tories have no interest in protecting Scotland from the worst of cuts etc... and it's the best way to combat them here. I think based on the numbers, there ARE already quite a few who vote SNP in general elections but voted (and still would vote) "no" to independence.

Bleedin' Scottish Puppy Dog

[bitontheslide]

everyone i know in Scotland is voting SNP, and thats not how they would traditionally vote

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