[arista]

[arista]

[The Slim Reaper]

Former PM and tory, urging voters to vote against the tories is far more embarrassing.

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[arista]

[Liam-]

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by arista

I was unsure what to think at first, but then I saw Jeff and a load of numbers' reply

[arista]

Originally Posted by Liam-

It can not be helped.
Events happen.

[arista]

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by arista

I think he is not alone in his thoughts

[LeatherTrumpet]

The 11-minute damnation of Jeremy Corbyn in full

Jon Ashworth shredded Labour's leadership and election chances in an 11-minute conversation with a Tory friend that appears to have been recorded last week. Here is the full transcript:

John Ashworth: ...are all like, 'oh my god, this is going to be the same as 2017, Theresa May, Look what's happening, look what's happening'.

For what it is worth, I think my Labour colleagues are more correct than my Tory friends on this.

Tory: What sort of proportion of them think Labour is going to get smashed?

JA: Anyone in the Midlands … anyone outside of the city seats, if you are in small-town Midlands and North, it's abysmal out there.

They don't like Johnson but they can't stand Corbyn and they think Labour's blocked Brexit.

I don't think they are long-term gains for the Tory Party but I can well see them going Tory this election and if Labour ever got its act together they presumably would fall back, do you know what I mean?

Tory: Yeah

JA: But on the other end of the scale I think middle-class graduates – remainy people – Labour's probably doing well among - and the Lib dems are doing well - but not in big enough numbers to deny the Tories a majority.

Tory: You are obviously just speaking [unintelligible], but I'm reasonably confident and certainly optimistic that the Tories will be a majority.

But I just think that if Corbyn became prime minister, and if it is any sort of … basically if the Tories got anything less than 350 I don't see how he can't be prime minister - even if just for a short while.

I just think the cost would be so - within the first 24 hours Sterling goes down from a minute past 10 on the exit poll on the Thursday, stock markets crash, or at least any company that is renationalised or supplies companies that get nationalised loses a ton of value first thing in the morning, all Five Eyes guys start making noises about pulling back in the morning. That is before he has even got his seals of office.

I don't think it is likely, I think it's like a 10 per cent chance, maybe more, of having a workable administration. But the cost is - we have talked about this before, he's just not up to it. What I said before about having tickets booked on Eurostar for 2250 that night if he comes in, I'm quite serious. We are trying to work out what we could put in the suitcase to get out the county, because you know capital controls come in.

JA: I just can't see it happening. It wouldn't surprise me, for the sake of argument, that if Labour held somewhere like Canterbury, because of middle class Guardian-reading people, but then the Tories take Bolsover off Labour, it wouldn't surprise me at all. Because the electoral map is being very topsy-turvy because of Brexit and because of Corbyn.

The question is for Labour, it is gets itself a half-decent leader next time round, whether it can reverse and regain its traditional heartland seats. I just can't see how you don't have a majority, to be honest.

Tory: I think if Labour had a half decent leader two years ago you'd be 40 points ahead. But is there any reassurance you can give me as to what would sensible Labour MPs do to stop Corbyn actually getting the seals of office? Is there anything that would happen or is it just...

JA: God knows … because we *******ed it up. We *******ed it up in 2016 when we went too early. People like me were internally saying this isn't the right moment, but I got ignored.

We went too early, so now I'm afraid … but I don't think we are going to get there, I just can't see it.

In places like Mansfield and Ashfield, it's dire for the Labour Party up there, these traditional areas

Tory: What happens if, say tomorrow, Trump says something ludicrous, there is a big swing in the polls and Tuesday next week, Labour is two points up? What would you do? Ride it out?

JA: Yeah, but I don't think we are going to get there. I just can't see it.

It's not going to happen. Stop worrying, it's not going to happen!

Tory: If you got in [inaudible]...

JA: Ummm. I don't know. On the security stuff I have worked in Number 10 I think the machine will pretty quickly move to safeguard security things, the civil service machine.

Tory: They wouldn't let him see stuff?

JA: You know, it is not going to happen. I just cannot see it happening. I just cannot see it happening. Not the way things are going at the moment.

Tory: I know what you mean and I appreciate the point about Canterbury being a bit different. Canterbury is kind of turning into Islington on Sea because of all the people coming down from London. That is just demographic change.

JA: Yeah, yeah.

Tory: It becomes a slightly harder fight for us over a couple of generations. I think it will be tight this time though. I think probably it will be 500 either way. But yeah, as much as I'd love to see [inaudible] from our perspective, I am more worried about the national picture.

JA: I have been going round these national places. It is dire for Labour. It is dire. Our strategy is just to try and help as many of my colleagues back over the line banging on about the NHS in their areas for them. It is awful for them and it is the combination of Corbyn and Brexit.

Tory: Do you think any of your more moderate colleagues would switch parties or anything?

JA: I think the ones who are gonna do that have already gone. It is not going to happen. I just cannot see it happening. I just cannot see it. Not on the things I am finding and what I am picking up. Johnson and CCHQ would have to massively ******* it up in the last week.

Tory: Yeah I know.

JA: That might not reassure you. [both men laugh]

Tory: 2017, I remember being up in [inaudible] and for the first couple of weeks of the campaign it actually looked like you might win. The Tories put out the manifesto and then there was the Manchester attack so basically the news clamped down for three days. The guy I was helping had done a local poll just before and just after that happened and he went from seven points up to seven points down over three days. Obviously those are incredibly rare events but, I don't know, apart from Trump, there's all the things you can't imagine like the delay in distribution of school flu vaccines or whatever it is on your beat - you must be aware of half a dozen things that could flare up and that is the same in every department.

JA: Oh, yeah, yeah.

Tory: I just really dread the, some of the polls now are down to six or seven points and because of the way the seats fall and the majorities fall they need to be seven or eight to get a majority of one really. I expect the Tories to get a majority but I would sleep easier if you could either reassure me on Corbyn not being able to get in or even that he is not going to be as bad. I mean the markets would go and stuff, wouldn't they?

JA: I don't know what they would do. I just don't think it is going to happen. What I am picking up I can't see it happening because by this point last time I remember it, the sort of things that normal people were saying is, or basically some version of it, was 'isn't that Theresa May useless' - some version of that.

What they are saying now is some version of… they say he is a liar, that definitely comes up, the idea that he doesn't tell the truth seems to have struck a chord but they also say some version of 'he will get this bloody Brexit done, I am sick of Brexit, he will get it done'.

Some version of that and it is a combination of those who want Brexit, the Leavers, but then it is the others who probably voted to Remain or maybe weren't that bothered that are now just sick to death of it and want it put away and they think that he will be the person who will just get it done. Do you know what I mean?

Tory: If it works out alright and I assume we both hope and there is some sort of workable majority for Johnson, how long do you reckon it will take Labour to get its act back together and get rid of Corbyn? We talked about this before, haven't we? Obviously things work better if you have got two decent parties trying to make each other up their games. At the moment you guys are just all over the *******ing place.

JA: I know. I know. Well that is the thing that a lot of us are… It is on our minds.

Tory: How long do you reckon it will take to switch it round. Is he irremovable now because of the NEC and stuff or what?

JA: I think things can change quickly. I think things change more quickly generally now… I think things are more fluid. Anyway. Maybe that is a conversation for another day.

[Tom4784]

Anybody of the working class that votes for the Tories or Brexit Party are ultimately voting against their own interest. It's sad how many people are gullible enough to do so. Critical thought is dying among the masses.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Anybody of the working class that votes for the Tories or Brexit Party are ultimately voting against their own interest. It's sad how many people are gullible enough to do so. Critical thought is dying among the masses.

But loads are

[arista]

[LeatherTrumpet]

You base your whole campaign on trolling people about the NHS and your Heath Secretary who, if they won on Thursday, would be the minister in charge of, tells his mate Labour have no chance and Corbyn is a disaster and it gets out..


I dont think in my life I have seen a worse party in opposition as this labour lot, you could not make it up.

[Brother Leon]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Of course the BBC headline is “Election Adverts are dishonest”

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Brother Leon

Of course the BBC headline is “Election Adverts are dishonest”

Tax funded Tory propaganda

[Matthew.]

[LeatherTrumpet]

Green deputy leader is on LBC with Ediie Mair, she has now answered 11 questions in a row with SO as her first word


who are these people?

[Marsh.]

Just seen the grotesque "Love Actually" ad. Excuse me whilst I throw up.

Gross man.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Just seen the grotesque "Love Actually" ad. Excuse me whilst I throw up.

Gross man.

listen to that shadow health man of labour slagging corbyn and then watch him lie through his teeth to pretend its "banter"

its the most despicable lying I have seen so far

and i hope no one on here will try to defend that?

[Liam-]

[The Slim Reaper]

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[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Liam-

It's like quoting breitbart

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

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[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by arista

But loads are

They are fools who keep repeating the same mistakes without learning from them.

I have no faith left in the British public. The Tories have been ****ing up since they retook power in 2010 and people vote them back in time and time again out of habit and I'm just tired of it. The public are idiots that deserve what they get and when they allow the NHS to die, they'll be the ones to suffer the insurance hell that the US is afflicted with because I won't stick around to suffer for the public's incompetence.