[michael21]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes Ch4HD Alternate Election
was the best of all the shows

I had all of them on 4 TV's

On sky there are more news channels covering it you need more tvs uhd ones no less

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

worst labour result since the 1930s - ie before just about anyone was born


wrong leader who keeps the wrong company
no brexit stance
hand wringing campaign of BS about the NHS
very little positive message
awful nationalisation idea
london politicians telling northern labour voters they did not no what they voted for in referendum

I think that's a Mathematical Fractal of what one of their biggest problems was. Labour in its current form just doesn't seem or act like the party for the working class across the country, but rather for London based middle class people who drink champaign while raising money for the school down the road.

Those who represented the party in the media didn't help - Emily Thornberry comes off as the sneering elite, Dianne Abbott is an "exceptional individual", Jess Phillips is a shrill crybaby...

The only likeable ones we see much of are Sir Kier, and the woman who usually sits next to Corbyn at PMQs.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

worst labour result since the 1930s - ie before just about anyone was born


wrong leader who keeps the wrong company
no brexit stance
hand wringing campaign of BS about the NHS
very little positive message
awful nationalisation idea
london politicians telling northern labour voters they did not no what they voted for in referendum

I'm not relitigating the Corbyn smears - been done to death.
Corbyn was appalling on brexit from the start, trying to play it down the middle pissed off everyone
The hand wringing campaign was 100% truthful. By any measure the NHS is in a state now compared to when the tories took over, waiting times, funding, and all the professional organisations backed this up. The willingness of people to accept foreigners as the root cause rather than a right wing ideology os the problem.
Labour ran a positive campaign about the things they wanted to do, tories ran from scrutiny, Johnson literally hiding in fridges and taking journo's phones off them to avoid looking at a sick child lying on a hospital floor.
The nationalisation ideas are extremely popular in national polling of people on all sides.
They didn't know what they were voting for - Farag said Johnsons Brexit was brexit in name only, Johnson said he had the perfect brexit. If 2 of the main players can't agree on what it actually is, then how can you expect 17m people to all know what it is?

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Whyyy is Corbyn not stepping down immediately? He's not doing Labour any good by lingering like a bad smell. The current Gov needs as an effective Opposition as soon as possible. Him dithering and clinging on isn't helping anyone.

I mean it doesn't really matter at this point, with a heavy Tory majority there isn't going to be another GE for 5 years. A smooth transition to a carefully considered leader makes more sense than flipping over to some inevitably temporary leader now, seems less stable to the public, a shift from Corbyn directly to a new (distinctly different) permanent leader - post Brexit when things are quieter - will have more impact.

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

wrong leader who keeps the wrong company
no brexit stance
hand wringing campaign of BS about the NHS
very little positive message
awful nationalisation idea
london politicians telling northern labour voters they did not no what they voted for in referendum

Can't disagree with most of that to be fair. The NHS is in trouble long term under the Tories - that's not scare tactics, it's a fact - but Labour's over-simplified rhetoric about it has done them no favours.

Originally Posted by James

Hardly anyone in Scotland speaks Gaelic.

effing Dotaman. He could ruin a good morning of Kids TV at any given moment

Youtube video

And when I was a kid I thought they were saying "I've lost my horse" and was like "Not again surely."

[LeatherTrumpet]

Dotaman

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Boy was I wrong about the British public. Three things sum up this election for me and where we're going as a country. The woman who said it's ok to take financial advantage of disabled people in the workplace because they don't understand won her seat, the guy who said that social housing tenants should be made to live in tents and forced to pick vegetables won his seat, and Grenfell is also tory.

By 20 votes, that has got to hurt

[arista]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Whyyy is Corbyn not stepping down immediately? He's not doing Labour any good by lingering like a bad smell. The current Gov needs as an effective Opposition as soon as possible. Him dithering and clinging on isn't helping anyone.

He is looking for someone he wants to take
over.

[arista]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Boy was I wrong about the British public. Three things sum up this election for me and where we're going as a country. The woman who said it's ok to take financial advantage of disabled people in the workplace because they don't understand won her seat, the guy who said that social housing tenants should be made to live in tents and forced to pick vegetables won his seat, and Grenfell is also tory.

You were wrong on
Labour Leave Voters

[GoldHeart]

This country is it's worst enemy! , goodbye hopes and dreams.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by arista

You were wrong on
Labour Leave Voters

I'm ready to enjoy the sunny uplands of BJ's hard brexit.

[SherzyK]

Originally Posted by Cherie

By 20 votes, that has got to hurt

It really does

[The Slim Reaper]

Wondering who the tory party is?

[Elliot]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Whyyy is Corbyn not stepping down immediately? He's not doing Labour any good by lingering like a bad smell. The current Gov needs as an effective Opposition as soon as possible. Him dithering and clinging on isn't helping anyone.

Corbyn is a great candidate and labour is very lucky to have him <3 People are masochists and continue to vote against their own self interests.. brexit was always gonna win, nothing to do with how good or not good Corbyn is.

[Livia]

This result came as a shock to a lot of people. Like the Brexit result came as a shock. My theory on this is that, the people who make the most noise are the hard Left. Anyone thinking of voting Tory has to wade through an ocean of negative comment, insinuations that they're a bit simple... I've virtually given up talking about politics on here. I've been branded a bigot, been told I'm anti-Muslim (I'm anti-terrorist, that's quite different), you only have to read through the comments following the count last night to see the angle at which the hard Left approaches elections.

It's done now. Labour's biggest mistake was to back Corbyn. Hopefully, they'll choose someone now who has a chance of making a strong opposition, because without a strong opposition the Tories have free reign.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Elliot

Corbyn is a great candidate and labour is very lucky to have him <3 People are masochists and continue to vote against their own self interests.. brexit was always gonna win, nothing to do with how good or not good Corbyn is.

If only everyone was as clever as you, Elliot.

[Elliot]

Islamaphobia has won

[SherzyK]

Originally Posted by Livia

If only everyone was as clever as you, Elliot.

I don’t think you’re in any position to decide who’s clever, when you’re just as irrational when it comes to politics

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Elliot

Islamaphobia has won

Anti-Semitism has lost, you mean.

I'm not denying that there is Islamaphobia within the Tory party, the difference is that I believe it will be addressed by the Conservatives in a way Anti-Semitism never was by Labour.

We'll see, won't we.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Livia

This result came as a shock to a lot of people. Like the Brexit result came as a shock. My theory on this is that, the people who make the most noise are the hard Left. Anyone thinking of voting Tory has to wade through an ocean of negative comment, insinuations that they're a bit simple... I've virtually given up talking about politics on here. I've been branded a bigot, been told I'm anti-Muslim (I'm anti-terrorist, that's quite different), you only have to read through the comments following the count last night to see the angle at which the hard Left approaches elections.

It's done now. Labour's biggest mistake was to back Corbyn. Hopefully, they'll choose someone now who has a chance of making a strong opposition, because without a strong opposition the Tories have free reign.

uh, do you have sympathy for any innocent muslims being beaten up because of Islamophobic parties like (Tories in UK, PVV in my country or german's far right AFD)

[Livia]

Originally Posted by SherzyK

I don’t think you’re in any position to decide who’s clever, when you’re just as irrational when it comes to politics

I will gladly pitch my intelligence against yours Elliot. Any day of the week.

Tired of being told I'm stupid.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Elliot

Corbyn is a great candidate and labour is very lucky to have him <3 People are masochists and continue to vote against their own self interests.. brexit was always gonna win, nothing to do with how good or not good Corbyn is.

He isnt

they are not

no they are not

brexit is a process not a thing


it is

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

uh, do you have sympathy for any innocent muslims being beaten up because of Islamophobic parties like (Tories in UK, PVV in my country or german's far right AFD)

I'm not discussing this with you Nicky because you're talking bo11ox.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

He isnt

they are not

no they are not

brexit is a process not a thing


it is

now our rioting can start, our protests, boycotts

[arista]

Scottish Public Women BBC1
calling England "Far Right"
she is wrong

[SherzyK]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

now our rioting can start, our protests, boycotts

And what rioting are you going to take part in, when you’ve made statements about backing the brexit party? Isn’t this what you wanted?