[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Alf

The Beatles were only going for less than a decade. Their catalogue of music they produced in that time is astounding. Elton John hasn't even got close in 6 decades.

I don't think churning out huge amounts of content in a short period of time is really an indicator of quality... in fact it's one of the main reasons I don't think they're as great as people say. YES they do have great songs, but they have a lot of "filler" as well. Huge amount of music but most of it is forgettable ... some of it truly great. Like most pop artists these days to be honest. That's why I think it's a fairly apt comparison... Amongst their other influences, The Beatles were really the first massive "Pop band". Mostly releasing filler pop, and then there are a few tracks where you stop and say "oh wow this is stand-out".

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I don't think churning out huge amounts of content in a short period of time is really an indicator of quality... in fact it's one of the main reasons I don't think they're as great as people say. YES they do have great songs, but they have a lot of "filler" as well. Huge amount of music but most of it is forgettable ... some of it truly great. Like most pop artists these days to be honest. That's why I think it's a fairly apt comparison... Amongst their other influences, The Beatles were really the first massive "Pop band". Mostly releasing filler pop, and then there are a few tracks where you stop and say "oh wow this is stand-out".

that is surely a reflection of the influence early on of the label and as they get older and wiser they can begin to release what they actually want rather than what the label thinks will make them money?

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

that is surely a reflection of the influence early on of the label and as they get older and wiser they can begin to release what they actually want rather than what the label thinks will make them money?

Well yes that's the way with most good bands, it's why the 3rd album is often the best. It's the one where the artist is given more freedom but hasn't gone TOO far off the deep end with it experimentally. Experimental 4th/5th albums are sometimes truly exceptional and sometimes ... well... they're called experimental because experiments can fail, I guess.

[bitontheslide]

Arguably, Buddy Holly, Elvis, Everly Brothers, Chuck Berry etc were more influential musically than the beatles ever were and I find their stuff to be complete pish, so personal taste influences perception a lot. Younger generations, ie less than 18 yo are going to have a completely different opinion on what is good and that's how it should be

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Arguably, Buddy Holly, Elvis, Everly Brothers, Chuck Berry etc were more influential musically than the beatles ever were and I find their stuff to be complete pish, so personal taste influences perception a lot. Younger generations, ie less than 18 yo are going to have a completely different opinion on what is good and that's how it should be

There are obviously some timeless classics... actual classical composers, Queen, Bowie, Bomfunk MC's...

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I don't think churning out huge amounts of content in a short period of time is really an indicator of quality... in fact it's one of the main reasons I don't think they're as great as people say. YES they do have great songs, but they have a lot of "filler" as well. Huge amount of music but most of it is forgettable ... some of it truly great. Like most pop artists these days to be honest. That's why I think it's a fairly apt comparison... Amongst their other influences, The Beatles were really the first massive "Pop band". Mostly releasing filler pop, and then there are a few tracks where you stop and say "oh wow this is stand-out".

Saying the Beatles are overrated in the field of music is like saying that Usain Bolt is overrated at sprinting.

You're talking absolute twoddle again. Now go away and click your fingers and tap your knee to The Lighthouse family, where you belong.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Alf

Saying the Beatles are overrated in the field of music is like saying that Usain Bolt is overrated at sprinting.

Why?

You should really try to actually back your arguments up Alf, it's fine that you disagree but "NO u r WRONG!!" is not really very convincing. Again I will reiterate that I'm not saying The Beatles weren't good, great even, nor that their contribution to music from that point onwards wasn't absolutely massive and perhaps even unparalleled ... but that doesn't mean I can't find them over-rated by some people. Some of their music is only average. Some of it is completely forgettable. Some people act like every note they played and every lyric that left their lips was crafted from solid gold and completely beyond criticism, which is obviously nonsense.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Alf

Saying the Beatles are overrated in the field of music is like saying that Usain Bolt is overrated at sprinting.

You're talking absolute twoddle again. Now go away and click your fingers and tap your knee to The Lighthouse family, where you belong.

Poor Lighthouse Family.

Ironically songs like Lifted & Ocean Drive are childhood memories for me.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Guess it may just scrape into my top 40 Beatles songs )


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Fair enough that's your opinion.

I like Eleanor Rigby as it sounds like a song that could be released in any generation, it also sounds less cheesy to me.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Fair enough that's your opinion.

I like Eleanor Rigby as it sounds like a song that could be released in any generation, it also sounds less cheesy to me.

No ... it’s a brilliant, brilliant song .. that’s my point .. they had many , many absolutely brilliant songs though .. not one or two as is being claimed


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[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Zizu

No ... it’s a brilliant, brilliant song .. that’s my point .. they had many , many absolutely brilliant songs though .. not one or two as is being claimed


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Tbf I'll take your word for that as I've only ever heard the famous songs from them really, and the only one that I've took to out of those personally was Eleanor Rigby.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Tbf I'll take your word for that as I've only ever heard the famous songs from them really, and the only one that I've took to out of those personally was Eleanor Rigby.

Well oddly enough some of their best songs IMHO ... didn’t make the albums and others were just b-sides on singles and EPs


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[Zizu]

Now I’m not claiming these are standout Beatles songs

And I Love Her is a fairly well known song .. a single in the uk and an album track ( I think )

In the States they put it out as a single but with a strong b-side ... If I Fell




https://youtu.be/9_c2XZd9mMo

https://youtu.be/F_80s6S_7Vw


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[Zizu]

A few random melodies



https://youtu.be/S-rB0pHI9fU

https://youtu.be/fR4HjTH_fTM

https://youtu.be/SyNt5zm3U_M

https://youtu.be/NrgmdOz227I

https://youtu.be/WoBLi5eE-wY

https://youtu.be/YBcdt6DsLQA

https://youtu.be/xdcSFVXd3MU

https://youtu.be/fR4HjTH_fTM

https://youtu.be/UelDrZ1aFeY


https://youtu.be/UPBd8eHQqIw

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