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How can they stop everybody?

[Matt10k]

Originally posted by Morpheus
Just sit back , download some torrents , grab some popcorn , and watch this not work.

I really hope that's true.

[Red Moon]

Personally I think they are targeting in the wrong people. Yes it's wrong to download but it is also wrong to copy the stuff to start with.

It is the people that put the stuff on the servers that start the chain of copyright infringement so they are people they need to go for. After all if these people didn't put the stuff out there people wouldn't be able to download it in the first place.

It is another example of the nanny police state we live in. The sooner this bunch of idiots are voted out of power the better. They are a bunch of incompetent fools who couldn't run a piss up in a brewery let alone a country.

[XxShortyxX]

The movies I watch I don't have to download, however I download music, and will conitune to do so as the type of music I download you can't buy in shops.

And they can kiss it

[Stu]

Its just going to be one of those laws that no matter how enforced , will still go uncared for. Its a civil liberty thing. People still smoke pot , people still copy DVD's , people still do all these minor offences but nobody gives a crap at the end of the day. These companies are still raking in a huge amount of money , so its a victimless crime really.

Hollywood should just concentrate all its might into using defensive methods against torrenting and the like. Pit people who download torrents against people trying to stop them. No laws made , no laws broken.

[Matt10k]

But if it becomes law and ISP's can be prosecuted, they will have to clamp down on it or risk being shut down themselves. It's bad news.

[Matt10k]

The good news is that the article says ‘legislative proposals to be unveiled next week'. It isn't even a Green Paper, let alone a White Paper, so the chances of it being law anytime soon are small when you consider the Parliamentary process of introducing and passing a Bill. Bad news is, it is a stepping stone towards the police state Red Moon mentioned.

[Stu]

Originally posted by Matt10k
But if it becomes law and ISP's can be prosecuted, they will have to clamp down on it or risk being shut down themselves. It's bad news.

Most computer users into that sort of stuff are a crafty bunch though. They always manage to stay one step ahead of everything.

This Nanny Sate thing bothers me too. People lead themselves into a corner , sit down , and assume they are powerless to stop it. The government cant trample on peoples civil liberties like that. Cliche , but its a free country isint it? Stand up and say something!

Think of all the laws that , if put to a public poll once and for all , would be overturned. Instead the real battle is between the government and themselves!

Not only are they running the country for us , but they are trying to run our lives for us!

More like another cliche - ''You have the right to do what we tell you''.

[Captain.Remy]

I think they should legalise it, they can't do anything big in order to stop it. And will the iPods and stuff like that, they "force" us in a way to download. So they don't know exactly what they want.

[Matt08]

Originally posted by Captain.Remy
I think they should legalise it, they can't do anything big in order to stop it. And will the iPods and stuff like that, they "force" us in a way to download. So they don't know exactly what they want.

Is there any similar laws in France to do with downloading copyrighted material?

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : Matt08

Is there any similar laws in France to do with downloading copyrighted material?

Yeah but not ones about cutting off your net access...not yet anyway lol
Actually, a new kind of Police has been created by the Government which works all day long in order to stop downloading. They don't punish the ones who download but the ones who give the files like Mininova or Demonoid....

[Matt]

I have to laugh at this government.

All the trouble and strife in the world - 25 million people's personal details lost, escalating crime levels, even environmental issues - and what do they come out with?

"Lets stop illegal downloads!"

The sooner the Conservatives get into power the better...

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : Matt
I have to laugh at this government.

All the trouble and strife in the world - 25 million people's personal details lost, escalating crime levels, even environmental issues - and what do they come out with?

"Lets stop illegal downloads!"

The sooner the Conservatives get into power the better...

Yeah from what I read about yours, it's not that nice, ours too by the way lol. I just think it's the decade when silly things happen lol

[Matt10k]

Originally posted by Matt
I have to laugh at this government.

All the trouble and strife in the world - 25 million people's personal details lost, escalating crime levels, even environmental issues - and what do they come out with?

"Lets stop illegal downloads!"

The sooner the Conservatives get into power the better...

What makes you think they'd be any better?

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : Matt

Anyone's better than Labour, and I fully back any party that would be prepared to give us a referendum on the EU consitution

Ours hadn't done it and they didn't shout it. The President accepted it and because of this, he reached his highest point of impopularity (39% of popularity)

[Matt10k]

Anyone's better than labour? do you not remember how bad the conservatives were? Why labour won such a landslide in the first place.

[xDramatick]

I use torrents/utorrent =|

Seriously.
a lot of my music is american, canadian, or japanese.
and you can't buy most of it in the UK =/

[Wasted]

LOL people are still going to do it anyway.

I usually buy music anyway, I just like to download it first before deciding if it's worth buying or not. And then in other cases you can't buy some of the music over here.

[Tom4784]

This law won't be passed, schemes like this are unveiled almost all the time and they rarely become law.

I agree with what Matt said, there are more pressing matters to be dealt with at the moment, the government shouldn't be worried about illegal downloads.

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by Dezzy
I agree with what Matt said, there are more pressing matters to be dealt with at the moment, the government shouldn't be worried about illegal downloads.

Problem is they don't know how to deal with the pressing matters so targeting teenagers downloading MP3 makes it seem like they are doing something.

It's stupid if they you ask me. Go for the people uploading the stuff. They were the people who ripped the music in the first place.

[Stu]

Originally posted by Matt
I have to laugh at this government.

All the trouble and strife in the world - 25 million people's personal details lost, escalating crime levels, even environmental issues - and what do they come out with?

"Lets stop illegal downloads!"

The sooner the Conservatives get into power the better...

What difference will that make? If anything the conservatives will be just as bad with it , if not worse.

I agree with the rest of your post though.

[philmyer92]

What I find funny is the government are willing to spend more time and money on making sure massive music and film companies get like an extra 2% more money. Rather than things like education/health/helping smaller struggling companies.

[Tom]

The first step is to tackle companies such as those behind the Gnutella network (Limewire, Bearshare etc) and torrent websites. Cutting off the internet will not make things better. There are a million and one things that can go wrong such as people hacking into your wireless connection and actually determining what you are downloading and where from. There will be ways around this e.g. by using proxies and if anything it will make the problem worse. It then also goes for websites like youtube because someone could use a program to record audio from their PC whilst watching a song on youtube which is essentially piracy because thats a modern day version of taping off the radio.

[Jack]

This thing will only happen to those who download/upload huge amounts of files. The average user (ie, most people on here) wouldn't be detected. Napster targeted people a few years back, it was only those who had downloaded/uploaded huge amounts, I'm talking hundred of Gigabytes per week.

There is also something being put foward with regard to people copying CDs on to their computers, even for their own use, they want to make that illegal too. What is the state coming to.

[CassetteFinger]

So basically..... everyone's net is gonna be cut off