[Cherie]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes the 19 year old lad
did not want to go.

we only have anecdotal evidence that was the case, someone told the aunt.... not exactly factual...

[arista]

[Soldier Boy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

if you have a malfunction in a helicopter, or walking across the street, you still have a reasonable chance of coming out alive. If you have a malfunction in a sub 2 miles down, not so much. It's not just the chance of failure, it's also the chance of survival on a failure. A sub doesn't hold up to that type of scrutiny

Well... a proper sub probably does have redundancies and safety features that go beyond what this one had. A bizarre, cobbled-together hobbyist tub held together with gorilla tape.

[Soldier Boy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

we only have anecdotal evidence that was the case, someone told the aunt.... not exactly factual...

TBF if you want to get really existential... it doesn't actually matter at this point, does it. They're both dead. By the looks of it they died instantly. There's no one left to take any sort of blame.

[arista]

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

TBF if you want to get really existential... it doesn't actually matter at this point, does it. They're both dead. By the looks of it they died instantly. There's no one left to take any sort of blame.

Sorry but there is a wife/mother and daughter/sister left behind, its bad enough but some mad cow estranged from the family in Canada claiming he didn't want to go wont exactly help their mental state

[UserSince2005]

Shocking the communications that BBC has obtained.

I believe Stockton was on the crew because he knew if the sub ever failed he’d spend the rest of his life in prison, so might as well go out with it.

[arista]

[LeatherTrumpet]

I guess i could look at that now but i will wait to read it in my paper in the morning with a cuppa

[UserSince2005]

I’ll be getting the paper tomorrow 😍

[parmnion]

I might wipe my arse with it.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by UserSince2005

Shocking the communications that BBC has obtained.

I believe Stockton was on the crew because he knew if the sub ever failed he’d spend the rest of his life in prison, so might as well go out with it.

why would he go to prison, the crew signed disclaimers and its open water not covered by any laws

[UserSince2005]

Originally Posted by Cherie

why would he go to prison, the crew signed disclaimers and its open water not covered by any laws

Criminal negligence, easy

[parmnion]

Are jokes acceptable now on this ridiculous time wasting story that bares absolutely no significance to anyone you or I know?

[Soldier Boy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

why would he go to prison, the crew signed disclaimers and its open water not covered by any laws

Death disclaimers are VERY flimsy, it's built into most legal systems that you can't sign away your life, it would be subject to reasonable limits (i.e. that death was unlikely and would occur because of unforeseen factors). If it's found that death was likely (or inevitable) based on negligence or poor safety standards, any signed disclaimer would fall apart.

Good example of that would be the disclaimer you sign when you go for surgery - which does state that you understand the surgery might not be successful and that there can be side effects up to and including death. Doctors and hospitals are still regularly (successfully) sued for medical negligence if something goes wrong that isn't just "unfortunate", but is clearly the avoidable fault of the individual or the hospital.

The international waters part is interesting though . It's a bit of a myth that the open sea is "lawless", international waters are covered by international law governed by the UN, but something as specific and complex as contract law would probably be very murky (and realistically no one would ever fully investigate it, the UN have bigger fish to fry than the misadventures of thrillseekers).

[parmnion]

Might not go to prison but the lawyers would have a field day with the left tover money on both sides.

[UserSince2005]

I wonder if the families will be bothered to sue given how rich they are.

[Soldier Boy]

Originally Posted by UserSince2005

I wonder if the families will be bothered to sue given how rich they are.

Rich folk are more litigious than anyone else, they do it on principle, not for the money.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Sorry but there is a wife/mother and daughter/sister left behind, its bad enough but some mad cow estranged from the family in Canada claiming he didn't want to go wont exactly help their mental state

I agree Cherie, she didnt even speak to her brother ,sounds like she wants 15 mins of fame ,its to be taken with a pinch of salt ,I am sure he was old enough to say if he didnt really want to go.

[Vanessa]

There's definitely a case for criminal negligence. They would be in serious trouble if sued.

[AnnieK]

There will surely be a corporate manslaughter case against the company and its board of directors

[bitontheslide]

who realistically is going to go to the company now and ask for a dive down to the titanic. It's finished as an entity and any money it has, which probably wont be much, will be ripe for the courts

[MTVN]

Not sure Boris is really reading the room right by making out that these guys were heroic risk takers on a noble venture. Most people think it was a totally needless loss of life caused by a morbid fascination and that the submarine was a stupid rich man's toy

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Not sure Boris is really reading the room right by making out that these guys were heroic risk takers on a noble venture. Most people think it was a totally needless loss of life caused by a morbid fascination and that the submarine was a stupid rich man's toy

are you trying to say this was a foolish money-making exercise based on rich people's vanity and desire to bore people rigid with stories of how they went and looked at a shipwreck?

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

who realistically is going to go to the company now and ask for a dive down to the titanic. It's finished as an entity and any money it has, which probably wont be much, will be ripe for the courts

Agreed


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