[arista]

[Millions of UK public sector workers,
including teachers and doctors,
will get pay rises of 6% or more after
Rishi Sunak decided to accept the
recommendations of independent
pay review bodies.

The bodies had suggested pay rises of
between 6% and 6.5% for 2023-24,
at a potential cost of £5bn.]


Sunak now Live in 11 Downing St.

https://news.sky.com/story/millions-...rises-12920175


Teachers Strike Now OFF They Get 6.5


Police to get 7%.

Doctors get around 9% Increase

[arista]

Right
this is now Simple

Unions take these Independent Pay Awards

If they still Strike, he will go no more.




Visa Fee's are to Rise
to help cover this.

[GiRTh]

Yes. We deserve it

[Zizu]

Just a pity that the cost of everything seems to be about 40% dearer since last year ..


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[Redway]

Support/care workers need it more, to be honest. The pay gap between that and what someone should normally be entitled to under the NHS (as menially paying as even they are compared to the States/Canada) is staggering.

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[joeysteele]

No should be the Doctors answer to the vile gutter trash Mail.
Plus their strikes are not callous.

However now this government has been kind of shamed into accepting the recommendations of public pay increases
Here the media go after criticising the government for maybe not planning to accept them.
They're now getting at the government as to how it will be paid for.

The media are total hypocrites more often than not.
Then they dare to wonder why politicians in government and in opposition won't answer their ever conflicting questions from the hypocritical media agenda.

[arista]

Sunak PM
new plan means Immigration Visa at £624
with Rise to £1,035

With allowance to NHS medical care while they
are in the UK.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

No should be the Doctors answer to the vile gutter trash Mail.
Plus their strikes are not callous.

However now this government has been kind of shamed into accepting the recommendations of public pay increases
Here the media go after criticising the government for maybe not planning to accept them.
They're now getting at the government as to how it will be paid for.

The media are total hypocrites more often than not.
Then they dare to wonder why politicians in government and in opposition won't answer their ever conflicting questions from the hypocritical media agenda.

I just feel like it comes to something when a pay-rise is only granted when menial junior doctors pop out to complain. British-based health workers (both inside and outside the NHS) are terribly paid compared to how it is in North America but besides care/support workers, nurses are notoriously overworked and underpaid. They’ve been saying this for months so to only be taken seriously when less experienced workers who happen to answer to “doctor” make a strike-riot must really take the piss.

[Soldier Boy]

Originally Posted by Redway

I just feel like it comes to something when a pay-rise is only granted when menial junior doctors pop out to complain. British-based health workers (both inside and outside the NHS) are terribly paid compared to how it is in North America but besides care/support workers, nurses are notoriously overworked and overpaid. They’ve been saying this for months so to only be taken seriously when less experienced workers who happen to answer to “doctor” make a strike-riot must really take the piss.

I agree, it's very "Tory" that they'll respect and listen to "doctors" w have been out of Uni for 5 minutes over other professionals who have been working in the NHS for over a decade+ ... indicative of their class-based mindset and assumptions tbh.

That said, 6% is still an absolutely abysmal pay increase for 2023, way below inflation.

The organisation I work for did an 11% pay bump across the whole organisation and mine was closer to 20% once my own increment increase was included. Granted, it's a small organisation and so doing a pay increase for all staff doesn't have the same implications as a massive employer like the NHS, but still.

McDonalds/KFC and the like have implemented significant pay increases over the last few years. Isn't Maccies min wage something like £11.20 now? At this rate, in 5 years time we'll have healthcare staff quitting their jobs to work at the drive-thru because The Colonel offers better pay and conditions. Disgraceful situation.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

I agree, it's very "Tory" that they'll respect and listen to "doctors" w have been out of Uni for 5 minutes over other professionals who have been working in the NHS for over a decade+ ... indicative of their class-based mindset and assumptions tbh.

That said, 6% is still an absolutely abysmal pay increase for 2023, way below inflation.

The organisation I work for did an 11% pay bump across the whole organisation and mine was closer to 20% once my own increment increase was included. Granted, it's a small organisation and so doing a pay increase for all staff doesn't have the same implications as a massive employer like the NHS, but still.

McDonalds/KFC and the like have implemented significant pay increases over the last few years. Isn't Maccies min wage something like £11.20 now? At this rate, in 5 years time we'll have healthcare staff quitting their jobs to work at the drive-thru because The Colonel offers better pay and conditions. Disgraceful situation.

Yup. An experienced nurse could run medical rings around your bog-standard GP (a junior one at that). One’s on their feet for 12+ hours day and night. GPs are paid to know a little about a lot rather than know a lot about anything in particular. But even then GPs are on a crap salary relative to the States/maple-and-yank land and that would be the case even with an 11% pay rise.

[Soldier Boy]

Originally Posted by Redway

Yup. An experienced nurse could run medical rings around your bog-standard GP (a junior one at that). One’s on their feet for 12+ hours day and night. GPs are paid to know a little about a lot rather than know a lot about anything in particular. But even then GPs are on a crap salary relative to the States/maple-and-yank land and that would be the case even with an 11% pay rise.

In the US doctors are always thought of as high earners... And I remember growing up in the UK thinking the same - that if you're a doctor you're raking it in.

Maybe it was never entirely true? But I know that it certainly isn't now. The low end of the range starts at something like £30k which at this point, after tax and student loans, only works out a couple of hundred quid a month over minimum wage.

I think most people find that quite surprising.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

In the US doctors are always thought of as high earners... And I remember growing up in the UK thinking the same - that if you're a doctor you're raking it in.

Maybe it was never entirely true? But I know that it certainly isn't now. The low end of the range starts at something like £30k which at this point, after tax and student loans, only works out a couple of hundred quid a month over minimum wage.

I think most people find that quite surprising.

That is true, however once you reach consultant grade, they generally have a private clinic running alongside their NHS Clinic, they will be paid as Editors of Medical journals, they get paid by drug companies to attend conferences and give lectures, so there is ALOT of money to be made in all the side hustles alongside their NHS pay

[Soldier Boy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

That is true, however once you reach consultant grade, they generally have a private clinic running alongside their NHS Clinic, they will be paid as Editors of Medical journals, they get paid by drug companies to attend conferences and give lectures, so there is ALOT of money to be made in all the side hustles alongside their NHS pay

Consultants yes can make significantly more, because they usually work both privately and within the NHS. One of the most ridiculous parts of private healthcare is that 9 times out of 10, you'll be seeing the same consultants as you would in the NHS... Just sooner. You're not paying for better quality professionals, literally just paying to go to the front of the queue. Which is understandable these days to be fair as in the NHS the back of the queue can mean 2 years.

Realistically though it takes (including University) 16 years to become a consultant, and another 3 to 5 at consultant level to be established enough to have much in the way of side-hustling. And the hours are LONG.

Its a tough route to a good salary tbh. I'm certainly not saying being a doctor isn't a good career, but it's not one to take on for the money.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

In the US doctors are always thought of as high earners... And I remember growing up in the UK thinking the same - that if you're a doctor you're raking it in.

Maybe it was never entirely true? But I know that it certainly isn't now. The low end of the range starts at something like £30k which at this point, after tax and student loans, only works out a couple of hundred quid a month over minimum wage.

I think most people find that quite surprising.

I guess it just depends on the speciality. Psychiatrists are terribly under-paid throughout their medical lifespan (usually only about 50-60k per year, unless they specialise in forensic psychiatry, which pays about 90k). Consultants and surgeons obviously make a lot more. Other specialties are kind of in the middle. But no-one starts off on a great salary. That’s always been true.