[thesheriff443]

So we need to stop people in a position of power or trust from abusing others

These cases keep coming to light
My suggestion is this, a system needs to be set in place and made into law that when someone makes a complaint about someone to their bosses it has to be put on record and that record has to be sent to and independent body
Failure from the bosses to comply will result in a prison sentence

Am I right or wrong
What’s your suggestions for stamping out the abuse.

[Oliver_W]

In principle I agree.

But the strength of Old Boys Networks, and people with ludicrous amounts of power in their fields ... accountability would "trickle down", and and the person taking the fall wouldn't necessarily be the one who's actually responsible.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

In principle I agree.

But the strength of Old Boys Networks, and people with ludicrous amounts of power in their fields ... accountability would "trickle down", and and the person taking the fall wouldn't necessarily be the one who's actually responsible.

Something is better than nothing

We keep seeing the bosses who knew of wrong doing but turned a blind eye again and again not get punished for basically allowing abuse to happen

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Something is better than nothing

We keep seeing the bosses who knew of wrong doing but turned a blind eye again and again not get punished for basically allowing abuse to happen

Depends on what form that "something" takes.

I don't trust the system enough to believe the right people would be punished.

[Oliver_W]

I'm obviously not saying that the enablers should be allowed to get away with it, but having a specific law meant to go after the enablers wouldn't be watertight enough to actually go for those responsible.

[bitontheslide]

it requires a fundamental change in attitude and thats not going to happen for generations. Having a law here or there to address it is not enforceable

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

it requires a fundamental change in attitude and thats not going to happen for generations. Having a law here or there to address it is not enforceable

We can’t allow generations of victims

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

it requires a fundamental change in attitude and thats not going to happen for generations. Having a law here or there to address it is not enforceable

To be fair I do think there's a change in tides. People are becoming less tolerant of the abuse, and the wake of #MeToo and #TimesUp has empowered victims to speak up.

Let's (thankfully!) note that most allegations are historical. Obviously that doesn't lessen the impact for current ones, or mean there won't be more.

I don't think we need be quite so defeatist.

[bitontheslide]

there isn't a metoo tide though, it was a metoo blip that is already self correcting. When metoo first started, men couldn't say boo, now look at it

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

To be fair I do think there's a change in tides. People are becoming less tolerant of the abuse, and the wake of #MeToo and #TimesUp has empowered victims to speak up.

Let's (thankfully!) note that most allegations are historical. Obviously that doesn't lessen the impact for current ones, or mean there won't be more.

I don't think we need be quite so defeatist.

#TimesUp? That's a cringy sounding name if I've ever heard one, but then the other one is called MeToo so...

But anyway I do agree with you that attitudes are changing towards trying to stamp this **** out, and I definitely think that there are creeps still in the entertainment industry, they're probably just better at hiding it now.

[Soldier Boy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

it requires a fundamental change in attitude and thats not going to happen for generations. Having a law here or there to address it is not enforceable

Correct and when there's even a glimmer of progress, an Andrew Tate or Jordan Peterson (depending on your flavour preference) isn't far behind to capitalise on the backlash ... with a horde of defenders behind them.

Sometimes it feels rather Sisyphean unfortunately.