[Livia]

Considering how they were taken it's amazing to see the few that have been released look as though they are okay - physically. Of course, they are a tiny percentage of those who were taken. But it will please the Hamas supporters with their "Look! They all look fine!" narrative.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

The hostages all look remarkably clean and healthy considering the "unimaginable" things that "must" have been being done to them by their captors ... some have repeatedly insisted.

It's a difficult thing to bring up of course - being kidnapped and held hostage in any regard is obviously an extremely traumatic event during which one would fear for their lives daily - I'm not downplaying what these people have experienced. Just pointing out that it doesn't QUITE appear to match up with the conditions that people have been insisting they will have been kept in, and the abuse people have been insisting they will have been subject to, by their "animal" captors.

The first American hostages that were released said they were treated well, but then some hostages have been killed so its not a one size fits all, we saw that poor german girl paraded naked before our eyes, and where just fragments of her skull have been found

[arista]

One American 4-Year-old has been released

[arista]

39 from Gaza were set free
By the IDF.


17 Israelis were given to the Red Cross

[Cherie]

An Israeli woman who was one of the hostages freed by Hamas thought they were being taken to be executed before they were released.

Adina Moshe, 72, told her family she thought she was being led to her death before she and 12 other hostages were released on Friday after the warring sides signed a Qatari-negotiated, four-day ceasefire.

Her niece Mayan Moshe, 43, told The Times: 'She knew something was happening when the explosions all stopped on Friday and suddenly there was silence.

Our aunt said when they were moved from the tunnel they were scared — they thought they were being taken to be executed. Only when they saw the Red Cross buses did they realise they were being freed.'

Adina had been kept underground by Hamas terrorists for 50 days before being released and her eyes were still adjusting to sunlight when she spoke to her family. Her nephew Ayat Nouri said: 'They kept up the terror to the end.'

at least they had clean clothes though!

[bitontheslide]

It's the remaining hostages that are likely to be in a bit of trouble. Hamas doesn't even know where most of them are, so who knows what state they will be in

[Soldier Boy]

In the absence of any verified evidence or confirmed intelligence of any kind, absolutely the best approach is just to make stuff up and guess.

[arista]

The now Safe 4 year old

[arista]

[arista]

Israel has asked for another extra day Extension
for more hostage exchanges
meaning Israel will send back to Gaza
double the amounts.

But that has to go through Qatar Negotiations


This is Officially the last day
of exchanges


Ref: All Media

[Ninastar]

Idk why it rubs me so wrong but this whole “SEE! The hostages are FINE!” rhetoric honestly makes me feel sick. I just can’t comprehend why people would think it’s okay saying things like this when these victims have clearly been through hell.

Like just because they aren’t bruised/beaten means they don’t deserve sympathy ? I honestly think that just spending a month underground without any access to the outside world is terrifying enough.

Hamas are clearly monsters.

They live streamed and recorded their terror with Go Pros and people still try and excuse them.

“How do we know women were even raped? Sounds made up to me”

Because we literally saw women with the bottom half of their clothes drenched in blood. We heard witnesses say they saw a woman shot whilst she was being brutally raped.

I’m not saying that Israel hasn’t done bad things too… I think everyone knows that. But to act like these hostages seem totally fine and act as through what has happened to them isn’t a big deal… is just disgusting to me tbh

[arista]

Gaza Truce now extended for 2 days

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

Idk why it rubs me so wrong but this whole “SEE! The hostages are FINE!” rhetoric honestly makes me feel sick. I just can’t comprehend why people would think it’s okay saying things like this when these victims have clearly been through hell.

Like just because they aren’t bruised/beaten means they don’t deserve sympathy ? I honestly think that just spending a month underground without any access to the outside world is terrifying enough.

Hamas are clearly monsters.

They live streamed and recorded their terror with Go Pros and people still try and excuse them.

“How do we know women were even raped? Sounds made up to me”

Because we literally saw women with the bottom half of their clothes drenched in blood. We heard witnesses say they saw a woman shot whilst she was being brutally raped.

I’m not saying that Israel hasn’t done bad things too… I think everyone knows that. But to act like these hostages seem totally fine and act as through what has happened to them isn’t a big deal… is just disgusting to me tbh

Excellent post !


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[arista]

[Israel-Gaza latest: Two-day truce extension agreed,
say Hamas and Qatar; hostage families 'notified'

Qatar's foreign ministry says the truce between
Israel and Hamas has now been extended by
two extra days, after earlier negotiation.
Meanwhile, more hostages and prisoners are
due to be freed today.]

https://news.sky.com/story/israel-ga...banon-12978800

[Liam-]

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

Idk why it rubs me so wrong but this whole “SEE! The hostages are FINE!” rhetoric honestly makes me feel sick. I just can’t comprehend why people would think it’s okay saying things like this when these victims have clearly been through hell.

Like just because they aren’t bruised/beaten means they don’t deserve sympathy ? I honestly think that just spending a month underground without any access to the outside world is terrifying enough.

Hamas are clearly monsters.

They live streamed and recorded their terror with Go Pros and people still try and excuse them.

“How do we know women were even raped? Sounds made up to me”

Because we literally saw women with the bottom half of their clothes drenched in blood. We heard witnesses say they saw a woman shot whilst she was being brutally raped.

I’m not saying that Israel hasn’t done bad things too… I think everyone knows that. But to act like these hostages seem totally fine and act as through what has happened to them isn’t a big deal… is just disgusting to me tbh

"I’m not saying that Israel hasn’t done bad things too." What bad things have they done? How long have they been doing those things? Why do you think October 7th happened?

All we've heard since the hostages were taken, was how bad they must be being treated; the constant rape, maybe butchery and hacking too. Now we're seeing the interviews of the former hostages, generally talking about how well they were treated considering the circumstances. Have some had unimaginably dark experiences? Undoubtedly, but then that would be true of any hostages taken by any side. Remember how the Americans treated Arab hostages in Gitmo? Do you think treatment defines the whole US military?

To be clear, taking hostages from the general public is a war crime no matter which side does it, but aren't you bothered that Israel regularly takes Palestinian children as hostages and actually tortures them in prisons? No one has shown any concern that this has been happening against Palestinians for decades, and we can't even get more than a line of acknowledgement that Israel isn't perfect.

[bitontheslide]

in reality we really don't know the state of the hostages. Some seem to look physically ok, but mentally? I don't think they will ever recover from that. There are also still a load of hostages that are being held by splinter groups that we have no idea about. They could be fine, but they also could have gone through hell. We just need to see how it plays out.

What we do know is that a fair proportion of hostages were killed on day 1 ..... the video is there for all to see

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

in reality we really don't know the state of the hostages. Some seem to look physically ok, but mentally? I don't think they will ever recover from that. There are also still a load of hostages that are being held by splinter groups that we have no idea about. They could be fine, but they also could have gone through hell. We just need to see how it plays out.

What we do know is that a fair proportion of hostages were killed on day 1 ..... the video is there for all to see

Exactly

We have no idea what physical / mental tortures they had to endure

None of it will be visible


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[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Exactly

We have no idea what physical / mental tortures they had to endure

None of it will be visible


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I think hostages talking about their experiences, sort of gives us an idea about what they went through. Doesn't mean there won't be lasting scars, trauma, or PTSD, but that's true of any hostage taken anywhere in the world.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I think hostages talking about their experiences, sort of gives us an idea about what they went through. Doesn't mean there won't be lasting scars, trauma, or PTSD, but that's true of any hostage taken anywhere in the world.

I’d guess the more extreme cases either won’t want to or will be too embarrassed to say …


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[jet]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

Idk why it rubs me so wrong but this whole “SEE! The hostages are FINE!” rhetoric honestly makes me feel sick. I just can’t comprehend why people would think it’s okay saying things like this when these victims have clearly been through hell.

Like just because they aren’t bruised/beaten means they don’t deserve sympathy ? I honestly think that just spending a month underground without any access to the outside world is terrifying enough.

Hamas are clearly monsters.

They live streamed and recorded their terror with Go Pros and people still try and excuse them.

“How do we know women were even raped? Sounds made up to me”

Because we literally saw women with the bottom half of their clothes drenched in blood. We heard witnesses say they saw a woman shot whilst she was being brutally raped.

I’m not saying that Israel hasn’t done bad things too… I think everyone knows that. But to act like these hostages seem totally fine and act as through what has happened to them isn’t a big deal… is just disgusting to me tbh

Well said, I totally agree!

[Soldier Boy]

It is literally only about the importance of accuracy in reporting. The very experience of being held against one's will for any reason is harrowing and will have had untold consequences on people's mental health - I'm not sure I've seen people insisting that the hostages are "fine"? Certainly not on here anyway. Maybe in the wider social media cesspit but that's barely worth mentioning.

However it is valid, relevant and important to point out that the worst-case-imaginings of what "must have" happened to these children has, thus far, proven not to be the case. That's a good thing. So why does it feel like some people consider it a "loss"? Like the more-harrowing images are somehow preferable, because they serve as stronger justification for the response, perhaps (bombing hospitals full of children being acceptable so long as it's to kill the boogeymen lurking beneath, etc.).

Seeing hostages released who have, in fact, not been raped and beaten into a pulp makes it harder to grease the wheels of palatable collateral damage. Maybe. Just a theory. Still we can always hyperfocus on the atrocities of the initial terrorist attack on day 1 to justify the months-long bombing campaign and starvation seige I guess.

Heck we used the Twin Towers to justify turning half of the ME into a pile of rubble and the deaths of literal millions, over the span of several years! Oct 7 has to be worth a few thousand dead Muslims at the very, very least. They're not children remember. They're jihadists-in-waiting.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Zizu

I’d guess the more extreme cases either won’t want to or will be too embarrassed to say …


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Well if they've been treated so badly, they probably wouldn't put themselves up for interview unless they absolutely wanted to tell their experiences.

To my knowledge, the treatment of the hostages released so far, doesn't line up in any way whatsoever with what we were told for the last 2 months they would have been facing.

Meanwhile Israel is just levelling the whole of Gaza, and no one cares. But hey ho, Israel isn't perfect.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I think hostages talking about their experiences,

Where have they been interviewed etc?

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Where have they been interviewed etc?

The interviews released were from the first prisoners a few weeks back, which you can find everywhere. The Israeli government has prohibited the most recently released hostages from talking because:



You can, however, see the footage of the most recent detainees being handed over to the red cross, and you can make up your own mind whether or not you feel the people waving and thanking their captors whilst looking clean, without their clothes torn off, and all their limbs intact, is a fair reflection of the truth or Hamas propaganda.

We've been fed a narrative on what Hamas was doing to all the hostages, and so far, none of that has been even close to the truth.

That's not to undercut the horror of being a hostage to anyone in in any situation, but the constant rape that was gleefully predicted to be the staple of Hamas Islamic terrorism (TM) hasn't been born out thus far, and i do mean thus far.