[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I didn't watch Eurovision just watched the last of the voting, its clear the viewership gave their opinion on Olly, oversexualising on a family viewing show is a no no and the viewers gave their opinion, same when Ekin Su appeared in a body stocking in DOI she was bottom 2, next week she wore something wholesome and she was saved No one wants to watch sexy acts with their kids....

It would've been different if it were Margot Robbie or Gal Gadot in that scenario.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Youtube video

Is this the 7th Heaven YouTube channel? Wtf!

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Livia

Who is supporting the other nil points entrants from the UK who've disappeared from view? Show business is cut throat. You should be able to do your thing and own it, regardless of people's criticism, without people worrying for your mental health.

Tbf, the UK entrants (and most of Germany's entrants) get some brutal stick from the Eurovision public, a lot of the time from their own countrymen.

That will take it's toll on a person to some degree.

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Tbf, the UK entrants (and most of Germany's entrants) get some brutal stick from the Eurovision public, a lot of the time from their own countrymen.

That will take it's toll on a person to some degree.

Nobody ever thought of the stick that James Blunt got and the affect that had on his mental health. People even used to say so and so was a blunt in a cockney style

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Nobody ever thought of the stick that James Blunt got and the affect that had on his mental health. People even used to say so and so was a blunt in a cockney style

Tbf, some of the abuse that James Blunt got back in the day were really harsh imo.

There's nothing wrong with having a laugh about a singer that you don't personally like, but some singers do tend to attract an obsessive detraction base.

For example Nickelback is another artist where the hatred that a lot of people have for them is imo unhealthy and actually disproportionate to anything that they've done.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Tbf, some of the abuse that James Blunt got back in the day were really harsh imo.

There's nothing wrong with having a laugh about a singer that you don't personally like, but some singers do tend to attract an obsessive detraction base.

For example Nickelback is another artist where the hatred that a lot of people have for them is imo unhealthy and actually disproportionate to anything that they've done.

I 100% agree again.
I quite like James Blunt myself
He's made some really strong recordings

As with Olly Alexander too, there's been a real minor disproportionate negative response to Eurovision.

I mean really, I love Eurovision myself for the songs, the acts and way out performances.
However is it now a really serious and even fair competion.
I don't mean that just as to the UK but to other Nations too.
I think you mentioned Germany and I'd agree there too.

Anyhow Olly picked himself up, got going again

Planning new tour dates and has a new album to come out very soon too.
Which his fanbase is eagerly awaiting the release date of.

So the news is all good.

I'll never understand the unhealthy dislike of singers.
People either like their music or don't.
There are so many artistes and so many types of music too.
Concentrate on the ones liked rather than the ones not liked is what I do.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Tbf, some of the abuse that James Blunt got back in the day were really harsh imo.

There's nothing wrong with having a laugh about a singer that you don't personally like, but some singers do tend to attract an obsessive detraction base.

For example Nickelback is another artist where the hatred that a lot of people have for them is imo unhealthy and actually disproportionate to anything that they've done.

I always presumed that Nickelback’s hatred came from everyone being sick of their song being number one for months


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[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I 100% agree again.
I quite like James Blunt myself
He's made some really strong recordings

As with Olly Alexander too, there's been a real minor disproportionate negative response to Eurovision.

I mean really, I love Eurovision myself for the songs, the acts and way out performances.
However is it now a really serious and even fair competion.
I don't mean that just as to the UK but to other Nations too.
I think you mentioned Germany and I'd agree there too.

Anyhow Olly picked himself up, got going again

Planning new tour dates and has a new album to come out very soon too.
Which his fanbase is eagerly awaiting the release date of.

So the news is all good.

I'll never understand the unhealthy dislike of singers.
People either like their music or don't.
There are so many artistes and so many types of music too.
Concentrate on the ones liked rather than the ones not liked is what I do.

I agree with you 100% on your points Joey.

And yes it was Germany that I mentioned, I mean their Blood & Glitter song last year did not deserve to be dead last imo, and I remember feeling similar about a couple of their other entries.

And good luck to Olly on his new Album, he should use his Eurovision experience as a point to prove his detractors wrong.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Zizu

I always presumed that Nickelback’s hatred came from everyone being sick of their song being number one for months


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That didn't help.

And I suspect (and I do hate to be the one that keeps bringing this up in discussions) that some guys didn't like the fact that their girlfriends were fancying the lead singer, I'm willing to make a bet that some (not all) had that level of insecurity about their relationship.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

That didn't help.

And I suspect (and I do hate to be the one that keeps bringing this up in discussions) that some guys didn't like the fact that their girlfriends were fancying the lead singer, I'm willing to make a bet that some (not all) had that level of insecurity about their relationship.

What ?

Women fancied this guy ??!




I’ll never understand women


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[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Zizu

What ?

Women fancied this guy ??!




I’ll never understand women


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Well I know that some women did back in the day.

And I also think that my Mom did to some extent too, although nowhere near as much as Ronan Keating or David Beckham.

[GoldHeart]

I watched clips on YT , Olly's voice was weak & forgettable it's as simple as that . And the staging was not going to make him win , it was obviously done as a silly distraction, that's literally all I remember ,I don't remember the tune.

And before people keep moaning about Olly getting criticism, it's the Eurovision ....where everyone is judged and scrutinised.

Olly's voice just wasn't up to it, and the song was dull. Even Switzerland out shined him , Nemo could actually sing , despite the obvious bias politics going on.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I watched clips on YT , Olly's voice was weak & forgettable it's as simple as that . And the staging was not going to make him win , it was obviously done as a silly distraction, that's literally all I remember ,I don't remember the tune.

And before people keep moaning about Olly getting criticism, it's the Eurovision ....where everyone is judged and scrutinised.

Olly's voice just wasn't up to it, and the song was dull. Even Switzerland out shined him , Nemo could actually sing , despite the obvious bias politics going on.

I will accept that his voice wasn’t brilliant on the night BUT he was jumping around and contorting his body into crazy positions PLUS he is a naturally nervous guy so having the weight of his nation on his shoulders obviously took its toll and it’s been reported that the UK entry had sound issues.

He has got an absolutely beautiful voice though as he’s proved over the years with countless live tv performances where he’s in the minority of singing live rather than miming


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[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I watched clips on YT , Olly's voice was weak & forgettable it's as simple as that . And the staging was not going to make him win , it was obviously done as a silly distraction, that's literally all I remember ,I don't remember the tune.

And before people keep moaning about Olly getting criticism, it's the Eurovision ....where everyone is judged and scrutinised.

Olly's voice just wasn't up to it, and the song was dull. Even Switzerland out shined him , Nemo could actually sing , despite the obvious bias politics going on.

.... .and that's your view which you have every right to have and express

Just the same as those like myself who are strong fans of Olly.
Who also see Eurovision differently and would disagree
As it's moved a long way now from being just a song, really song contest.

I've actually only watched the stagings of ALL the Eurovision entries twice.
On the semi finals night on the BBC.
Plus on the Final itself.

I don't think after any Eurovision I've ever looked again at a video of any entrant over the years following.
Certainly I'd never even think of doing so on one I didn't even like .

Eurovision is now past
It's unlikely here in the UK we will hear little to even nothing eventually of Nemo from Switzerland soon.
Or any other of the entrants this year.

By the end of the year we'll be looking to the next Eurovision and I'd suspect some other unfortunate sacrificial British singer putting themselves forward for crumbs of votes from either the juries or the public
Which has been the usual norm for the vast majority of UK entrants over the last 25 years.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

.... .and that's your view which you have every right to have and express

Just the same as those like myself who are strong fans of Olly.
Who also see Eurovision differently and would disagree
As it's moved a long way now from being just a song, really song contest.

I've actually only watched the stagings of ALL the Eurovision entries twice.
On the semi finals night on the BBC.
Plus on the Final itself.

I don't think after any Eurovision I've ever looked again at a video of any entrant over the years following.
Certainly I'd never even think of doing so on one I didn't even like .

Eurovision is now past
It's unlikely here in the UK we will hear little to even nothing eventually of Nemo from Switzerland soon.
Or any other of the entrants this year.

By the end of the year we'll be looking to the next Eurovision and I'd suspect some other unfortunate sacrificial British singer putting themselves forward for crumbs of votes from either the juries or the public
Which has been the usual norm for the vast majority of UK entrants over the last 25 years.

Well aren't people still talking about Lorleen what's her name from last year? , so it seems some winners still leave an impression. So you'll probably hear quite a bit about Nemo until we move onto the next .

Whether Olly had sound issues or got nervous singing live ,his performance just wasn't good imo , and I found it boring .... , all I took from that performance was guys in boxer shorts acting suggestively. He's not the
only Eurovision performance I disliked.



I actually think he was better in the year & years days, and had more memorable tunes. I still think of his hit ' I
was a king under your control ', that was a bop .

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Well aren't people still talking about Lorleen what's her name from last year? , so it seems some winners still leave an impression. So you'll probably hear quite a bit about Nemo until we move onto the next .

Whether Olly had sound issues or got nervous singing live ,his performance just wasn't good imo , and I found it boring .... , all I took from that performance was guys in boxer shorts acting suggestively. He's not the
only Eurovision performance I disliked.



I actually think he was better in the year & years days, and had more memorable tunes. I still think of his hit ' I
was a king under your control ', that was a bop .

I think that you are simply more familiar with his old songs and King .. I love his old stuff and his recent solo album equally

Dizzy is a fabulous, infectious pop song


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[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Zizu

I think that you are simply more familiar with his old songs and King .. I love his old stuff and his recent solo album equally

Dizzy is a fabulous, infectious pop song


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Maybe so ,but this ' Dizzy ' song did not stand out .

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Zizu

I think that you are simply more familiar with his old songs and King .. I love his old stuff and his recent solo album equally

Dizzy is a fabulous, infectious pop song


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"Dizzy is a fabulous, infectious pop song "

it got no points

so either the whole of the UK Listening public are wrong

or you are


can you hazard a guess here?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Well aren't people still talking about Lorleen what's her name from last year? , so it seems some winners still leave an impression. So you'll probably hear quite a bit about Nemo until we move onto the next .

Whether Olly had sound issues or got nervous singing live ,his performance just wasn't good imo , and I found it boring .... , all I took from that performance was guys in boxer shorts acting suggestively. He's not the
only Eurovision performance I disliked.



I actually think he was better in the year & years days, and had more memorable tunes. I still think of his hit ' I
was a king under your control ', that was a bop .

We don't hear much of Eurovision entrants or winners much in the UK after the contest.
Sadly because it used to be I believe a springboard to international success.

Olly actually is still the same as in Years and Years days and I agree 'King' is a classic of his along with others, I love 'Shine'.

On his last album, still under Years and Years although his solo work in 2022.
I also loved the song 'Sweet Talker' from his number one album 'Nightcall'.
I really like Dizzy too, especially his totally stripped back take he's done on it.


It's actually sad really that Eurovision is going down the road of out of the ordinary and perhaps controversial stage effects and staging.
It's like concerts too, they are going for outlandish staging.
Being honest, I didn't like most of the effects or staging of the majority on Eurovision.

The one I liked most was the simplest in my view
The French guy singing his song and using his voice.

However it's how shows like this are now, having effects, routines and staging which more detract from the songs and hinder the artistes.
I can't see Eurovision changing though and only expect the staging and performances to be staged even more wildly in future.

As I said on here somewhere, I have a dvd of past Eurovisions from 1956 to 2014.
It only shows snippets of who came in the top 3 of the contests.
I have to admit I really enjoy that dvd immensely.
In the last 7 years at least, although I have still a party night on Eurovision.
Once it's over, I haven't looked back over the last few Eurovisions at all afterwards.

Nice talking to you GoldHeart.

[Barry.]

I love that Olly is on his mind having a over sexual preformmance however the Slovenia lady was wearing almost nothing, skin tight see through with only black dots covering her breasts is no where on his mind, maybe because she’s not gay and a woman that’s my guess

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

We don't hear much of Eurovision entrants or winners much in the UK after the contest.
Sadly because it used to be I believe a springboard to international success.

Olly actually is still the same as in Years and Years days and I agree 'King' is a classic of his along with others, I love 'Shine'.

On his last album, still under Years and Years although his solo work in 2022.
I also loved the song 'Sweet Talker' from his number one album 'Nightcall'.
I really like Dizzy too, especially his totally stripped back take he's done on it.


It's actually sad really that Eurovision is going down the road of out of the ordinary and perhaps controversial stage effects and staging.
It's like concerts too, they are going for outlandish staging.
Being honest, I didn't like most of the effects or staging of the majority on Eurovision.

The one I liked most was the simplest in my view
The French guy singing his song and using his voice.

However it's how shows like this are now, having effects, routines and staging which more detract from the songs and hinder the artistes.
I can't see Eurovision changing though and only expect the staging and performances to be staged even more wildly in future.

As I said on here somewhere, I have a dvd of past Eurovisions from 1956 to 2014.
It only shows snippets of who came in the top 3 of the contests.
I have to admit I really enjoy that dvd immensely.
In the last 7 years at least, although I have still a party night on Eurovision.
Once it's over, I haven't looked back over the last few Eurovisions at all afterwards.

Nice talking to you GoldHeart.

I bet that DVD is very interesting indeed through all the decades , seeing how things have changed. I think on yt someone has posted every winner from the start up until last year .

Yeah it seems Eurovision gets the trash label ,as everything is always more about gimmicks & theatrics for the sake of it & less about the actual talent .

I know it's a contest but it seems most of the countries are more bothered about out doing their fellow neighbours / competitors .....than actually focusing on having a decent song in tune and well choreographed routines, and this isn't just aimed at Olly , I still remember dancers and other routines in the past who have been terrible.



I mean look at how troll ISH & bizarre Finland was
.

I agree about France , that actually stood out to me as it was so simple & pure .

Nice talking to you aswell Joey

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Barry.

I love that Olly is on his mind having a over sexual preformmance however the Slovenia lady was wearing almost nothing, skin tight see through with only black dots covering her breasts is no where on his mind, maybe because she’s not gay and a woman that’s my guess

She is a lesbian

[Barry.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

She is a lesbian

Guys can be homophobic and still watch lesbain porn.

Why aren’t you crying about her set then?

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Barry.

I love that Olly is on his mind having a over sexual preformmance however the Slovenia lady was wearing almost nothing, skin tight see through with only black dots covering her breasts is no where on his mind, maybe because she’s not gay and a woman that’s my guess

I remember saying to my Brother straight away "what is she wearing?" Because it was that sexualized.

Not that I'm complaining of course.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Barry.

Guys can be homophobic and still watch lesbain porn.

Why aren’t you crying about her set then?

no one is crying, well some of us arent..

this thread is about the UK entry

its not an exercise in whataboutery

Plus no one in the thread has criticised the act for being scantily clad

The criticism of the staging is that no one wants to see a simulated gay gang-bang in a filthy public toilet

and no one did

it got NO points