In BB2, we had Bubbly Helen, camp Brian, serious Dean - etc.
Wot kinda ppl do you think would be good to have in the next series?

[Girlie]

Originally posted by WILDCHILD2K1
In BB2, we had Bubbly Helen, camp Brian, serious Dean - etc.
Wot kinda ppl do you think would be good to have in the next series?

I hope that the formula for picking people is changed radically. I do not want to see a re-run of BB2 in terms of them choosing someone like Brian again in the hope that he will popular just like Brian. I don't want someone coming in the house and attempting to impersonate the popular ones from BB2 like Helen and Brian, in a vain attempt to win. I would like to be totally surpised by the people chosen and I would rather not see stereotypes or too many over 25's. The older ones are usually intolerant of the younger people having loud fun! Elizabeth, Stu, Naz, Dean, Josh were more boring than watching paint dry! The older females are also more likely to want to get rid of younger fitter females out of jealousy etc. I have experienced serious jealousy from older women and it is evil!

[peachy]

I also hope that the publicity surrounding H&P doesn't mean that we get people on the show who are determined to find someone in the house to have sex with. I just wonder whether the producers will go for more exhibitionist types 'for the ratings'.

Thanks for replying Girlie and peachy, I had been waiting for ages for someone to reply to my mesasage!!

As for your comments I agree with you. I really hope they dont want someone who agrees to have sex but on the 'Top 100 TV Treats of the Year, which I am proud to say BB2 came 10, the producer said that they didnt want people to come onto the show and have sex and it was never going to happen in the UK,- lets hope she if for real!

[Mark]

Do you think if Big G didn't exist P+H might have?

Mark

[Feefs]

That's a very interesting question Mark. I still think they wouldn't want to because I don't think he was the reason that ultimately stopped them from doing it, but it did stop the flirting from taking off so seriously so soon. They both had to pretend to not fancy each other for longer than they might have done. On the other hand, if they didn't have to spend so much time pretending nothing was going on and instead had the odd snog, then the sexual tension might not have reached crisis point. Helen was better at forgetting the cameras, but regardless of boyfriends I don't think Paul could forget his mother and Nan were watching. That will always dampen your passion.

They should definitely choose completely different people, not just to keep it fresh, but to prevent people trying to base strategies on what happened in previous years. I'd like to see someone older, but fun. I've forgotten her name, but the woman who lost out to Josh would have brought in an interesting dynamic. A person in their forties or fifties who chooses to do BB would have to be up for a laugh. It would make it possible for someone with children to be in there without being an absentee parent. They would be more likely to have the skills to be motherly/fatherly and comforting and holding things together without having to be dull about it. I think they should avoid having anyone too young. Helen and Brian were the youngest and least mature, so they need to avoid that. Young people who are too mature are just plain boring or wierd, so should also be avoided.

Dean was perhaps right when he said there should have been some-one a bit more hard-line. This year they were either too liberal, or too PC to voice disapproval of anyone else's lifestyle with any enthusiasm. Apart from Liz moaning about people being lively and Penny hogging the kitchen, but that's hardly the same.

I think anyone like that would be nominated and evicted pretty quickly, but it would at least mean next year’s Dean might have a decent reason for nominations. They should be made to give better reasons for their nominations too. The first person to mention gelling should be made to sleep with the chickens. They can’t have the contestants going mad, so some soothing people are required, but all chilled tai-chi and sunbathing makes for dull television. To aid sanity amongst exuberant people they could give them a little extra space for the early weeks, but take it away when the numbers are reduced.

I think starting with 20 people as is rumoured is too many, but just having an extra couple of people, then doing a double eviction week 5 might up the pace a bit and make it harder for people to select their strategy. It might also be interesting to not allow them to nominate the same 2 people week after week until the end. Apart from being a bit harsh, it was dull having Paul nominated each week. It would force people to be more imaginative, and stop any one individual being under constant strain. Knowing you could be facing the outside world soon made them all behave differently and showed a different side of their personality. I’d have liked to have seen it from more of them, and less often from Paul. Regardless of sexual chemistry, it was inevitable Helen and Paul would hang around together. They were the only ones who knew what it was like to survive an eviction. I might be wrong, but I think the only thing that stopped Craig getting nominated each week was his unmasking of Nick.

Oops, gone of track a bit, but I think it is important they ensure no copy-cat tactics are used. Although Liz tried an impression of Anna with quite different effects. That should be a lesson to them all.

One sort of person I’d love to see would be someone who has studied psychology and psychiatry - possibly even a professional. A psychiatrist would be better because then there would be more potential for conflict of opinion with someone with a psychology background (the tv psychologists in particular). There would also be the benefit of having a medic for those sprained ankle and tin-can emergencies. Anyone with a profession like doctor, lawyer or accountant is bound to provoke a reaction. I heard that when an American contestant told the group he was a doctor he suddenly became much more interesting to a couple of the women – one in particular. The opposite of Josh telling the group he was gay! Lawyers and accountants are also likely to have good incomes, but society doesn’t generally like them so much. If you could find a policeman mad enough to go on, it would make those late night drug debates more interesting.

[kaphc]

I would really like to see some strong female characters in the next series, though I'm going to find it hard to describe what I mean by "strong".

I guess the thing that struck me early on in BB2 was that Bubble, Brian and Dean all looked like likely winners / finalists by the end of the first 2 weeks. In the girls camp at that stage there was only really Elizabeth - Amma was too quiet, Naz was too bitchy and Penny was too rollercoaster. Of course, Helen proved us all wrong and came 2nd - who would have expected that at that stage??

[disco]

Originally posted by Girlie
I would rather not see stereotypes or too many over 25's. The older ones are usually intolerant of the younger people having loud fun

This seems rather contradictory... aren't you being stereotypical of the over 25s?

[Girlie]

Originally posted by Mark
Do you think if Big G didn't exist P+H might have?

Mark

I doubt it. Helen was a good girl at heart and it was mostly being pushed by Paul. He was a bit sad and single when he entered the house and therefore I think it made him more desperate to find himself a girlfriend. Last chance saloon and all that. In my opinion, it was 70% Paul and 30% Helen.

[Girlie]

Originally posted by kaphc
I would really like to see some strong female characters in the next series, though I'm going to find it hard to describe what I mean by "strong".

I guess the thing that struck me early on in BB2 was that Bubble, Brian and Dean all looked like likely winners / finalists by the end of the first 2 weeks. In the girls camp at that stage there was only really Elizabeth - Amma was too quiet, Naz was too bitchy and Penny was too rollercoaster. Of course, Helen proved us all wrong and came 2nd - who would have expected that at that stage??

Elizabeth, in my honest opinion, NEVER looked like she was going to win EVER. She was quiet at the beginning, boring us with tai-chi, moaning about every blessed thing, bitching to Dean about other younger, fitter, prettier girls (Amma, Helen) out of pure jealousy. She was not nominated because she was so insignificant and bland that no one remembered she was there. Amma was more lively at the beginning and she was always with Naz and Brian until they turned on her (she overheard) and then she went back into her shell. Helen was always a strong contender and I even put a bet on her winning right at the start of BB2.

[Mark]

Hope you didn't loose too much girlie!
Any chances of answering Disco's question above???

Mark

[Girlie]

Originally posted by Disco

This seems rather contradictory... aren't you being stereotypical of the over 25s?

No. I base this on both personal experiences and also what I have seen in both series of BB. Not all, but most older (mainly women) have a massive problem competing with us younger girls and they can barely contain their jealousies. One example is Elizardbeth. She was literally seething with jealousy when Dean contradicted her criticism of Helen being a 'typical Brit' and replied that Helen was 'lovely with it'. She then pretended not to hear what he said, then quickly changed the subject. Also, who can forget the way she gloatingly spat out the words Paul used to describe his relations with Helen (60-40). There are many other examples including jealousies from the less attractive and mostly older females in BB1 towards Mel, whose only crime was that all the men fancied the pants off of her. What's wrong with that?

[Mark]

Nothing Girlie,

Wouldn't it be boring if it was all 20 year old agreeing with everything each other said. The thing that attracts people to watch BB is the tension between people. backstabbing, jealousy etc. Thats why BB choose a variety of people.
You went on about Elizabeth - yeah it was so funny watching her get all angry about that - made good TV

My point from this is if BB picked 10 "helens" to go int the house - all agreeing with each other - no jealousy - great TV eh?

Mark

[Janette]

I think starting with 20 people as is rumoured is too many

After watching the wonderful programme tonight on Channel 4, it now seems that all the rumours were just rumours. Davina said she will be hosting the new BB, there will be 10 people not 20, and it will be in a brand new house, not a studio (thank God!!!!!). Good news all round I think!

[Girlie]

Originally posted by Mark
Nothing Girlie,

Wouldn't it be boring if it was all 20 year old agreeing with everything each other said. The thing that attracts people to watch BB is the tension between people. backstabbing, jealousy etc. Thats why BB choose a variety of people.
You went on about Elizabeth - yeah it was so funny watching her get all angry about that - made good TV

My point from this is if BB picked 10 "helens" to go int the house - all agreeing with each other - no jealousy - great TV eh?

Mark

Fair enough. However I think the female ratio should be in the region of 2 lambs for every piece of old mutton.

[Janette]

"Fair enough. However I think the female ratio should be in the region of 2 lambs for every piece of old mutton."


Like it!!!!!!

[Feefs]

It's easy to forget that despite superficial appearances - Elizabeth wasn't that old. Certainly not over the hill in the looks stakes. Her frumpiness came from her attitude, not years.

I thought it was good there was someone like Elizabeth who wasn't interested in glamour and fashion, even if it meant I had to suffer watching that jumper. My problem with her was that she seemed to resent other people's interest in it. Rather than being jealous of it, I think she looked down on it.

As someone about the same age as Elizabeth, who would like to be prettier, but is reasonably happy with her lot I can tell you that I'm never jealous of teenagers apart from when it comes to school holidays. I had a happy childhood and my teenage years were less traumatic than most, but my 20s are infinitely better. Looks have never been that important to me, and although I don't think mine will be fading for a few years yet I'm sure I'll cope. Things like having a good career and social life are more meaningful to me and these have improved with age.

Having lived a bit and travelled (but not as much as Paul) I know I'd bring far more to the house now than when I'd just turned 18 and not just round my thighs! I'm sure there are plenty of perfectly interesting 18 year olds out there, but those same 18 year olds will be far more interesting at 25.

I'm by no means against having some youth in the house. Helen and Brian were two of my favourites, but watching them develop was what made them so interesting and they could only do that in the presence of people with more life experience. A mixture is required to sustain a 9-week adult program or it would turn into Shipwrecked, but without the beach. Frightening!

The sad thing is, the only people who got competitive about looks this year were Stuart and Josh and they were both old enough to know better. Brian also thought he couldn't compete with Josh, but that was just as daft, but still made good tv.

[kaphc]

Good points there Feefs. I always enjoy reading your posts as I know they will be well thought-out and interesting.

When I compare the atmosphere in the BB1 vs the BB2 house, BB1 came over as much more of a "studenty" house, whereas BB2 had more of a "family" atmosphere - partly due to the mix of ages. At the end, it was soooo Dean as Dad, Elizabeth as Mum and Bri and Helen as the two kids - they said it themselves!



However, I don't think this was boring to watch at all - in fact it's one of the reasons why I prefer BB2 to BB1.

[Girlie]

Lizardbeth was a complete dragon and she was old in looks as well as attitude. She was jealous of the younger females and that is just obvious. She wanted to be the only female left in the house with the rest of the guys so that they would have no choice but to take notice of her but even that backfired. She is typical of the boring nearly thirtysomethings who wish they could be 17 again and are desperately terrified of a bit of nubile competition and they then pretend there is more to life than looks because they are rapidly losing theirs whilst settling for the only kind of man who will consider them remotely attractive. Usually these men are your common garden variety geriatrics. They need lots of tlc and a good dose of viagra now and again to stiffen their resolve because though the mind is willing, the body usually ain't. Elizabeth wishes she could get a bloke like Paul or Dean but it will never happen. The witch has no spirit