[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Well, there's no way of proving it one way or another I suppose, so there's no point arguing about it.

I admit that what she's doing isn't new to English music as she said it was although I do think it's new to the X Factor. As far as I can remember there hasn't been any act on there before who can combine rapping and singing, other than maybe Miss Frank.

I'd say there's been a few with an (alleged) bad attitude; Nicolo, Aidan, Matt, even One Direction have come across as quite arrogant to me. Katie wasnt arrogant at all.

Nah, no point arguing, I agree.

Again though, I don't think Cher when she mentions 'her type of music' is referring specifically to the XFactor. I do truly think she thinks she has invented something utterly unheard of.

Lots of the contestants appear to be far more humble than Cher - but given that Cowell and Cole have been hammering home the 'act like a Diva' message to everyone, it's hardly surprising some of them may get a bit uppity.

My dislike of Cher is that she came across that way very early on, and has steadily and progressively, become more arrogant with each passing week. Mind you, I'm not likely to say anything else in all fairness! But I suspect you'll have guessed that ! Lol

[babycakes]

Originally Posted by Snowball

Again though, I don't think Cher when she mentions 'her type of music' is referring specifically to the XFactor. I do truly think she thinks she has invented something utterly unheard of

Snarl Doggy Dog, LL Cher Bomb, Lil Offkey Lloyd. The fun you can have with a Rap Name Generator

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by babycakes

Snarl Doggy Dog, LL Cher Bomb, Lil Offkey Lloyd. The fun you can have with a Rap Name Generator

ROFLMAO.



You're not right in the head are you... LOL !!!!

I love it !!

[zotler.]

I have no idea what this is about, just doing a favour for the 666 phobics out there. :x

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by zotler.

I have no idea what this is about, just doing a favour for the 666 phobics out there. :x

LOL. I noticed when you hit 666 and thought... oh oh. !!

[zotler.]

Originally Posted by Snowball

LOL. I noticed when you hit 666 and thought... oh oh. !!

I don't even watch X Factor, it was just the first none 'Chat and Games' thread I saw, haha! I'll leave the thread now, sorry for taking away from the topic.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by zotler.

I don't even watch X Factor, it was just the first none 'Chat and Games' thread I saw, haha! I'll leave the thread now, sorry for taking away from the topic.

That probably makes you smarter than the rest of us put together!!

Don't be daft..... 666 is the number of the beast. Not too far away from my own thoughts on the Chav, so personally speaking, I'd say you were bang on topic.

[zotler.]

Oh man, I don't believe we've met. I'm Zoe, and you, you are extremely awesome.

However, while I'm here I may as well give my opinion of Cher! From what I've seen (or rather, heard), she's a dreadful vocalist. This is why I don't watch X Factor.

[Truth Teller]

I think the problems for Cher after last night are the following:

1) Dannii is a judge, whether she liked what she said or not, it is her view and she has to respect that and behave accordingly on the show.

2) Cher's most popular performance to date is Stay. She was happy to sing it when she was in the bottom two and not rap - hmm - hypocrisy. Last night was about doing 2 contrasting performances not two of the same.

3) Her age is not an excuse - we have had other contestants who have been younger or a similar age who haven't shown such disrespect/lack of manners. She has developed the wrong attitude.

4) Her delusion that she is going to change English music - rap has been around since the early 80's and the UK since early 90's. There are better and more credible hip hop artists out there in the UK - the idea that she thinks she is somehow special does not reflect well for her.

I hope she apologised to Dannii and was taken to task about her rudeness and learns to think before she speaks.

Patrick likes her as a performer but can see the damage this attitude does to her chances........

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by zotler.

Oh man, I don't believe we've met. I'm Zoe, and you, you are extremely awesome.

However, while I'm here I may as well give my opinion of Cher! From what I've seen (or rather, heard), she's a dreadful vocalist. This is why I don't watch X Factor.

Hi Zoe, thanks for that, you're pretty good yourself! Actually, you're better .... you've got the sense to stay away from XF. !! LOL

Yep, she's not the best vocalist, that's for sure.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Truth Teller

I think the problems for Cher after last night are the following:

1) Dannii is a judge, whether she liked what she said or not, it is her view and she has to respect that and behave accordingly on the show.

2) Cher's most popular performance to date is Stay. She was happy to sing it when she was in the bottom two and not rap - hmm - hypocrisy. Last night was about doing 2 contrasting performances not two of the same.

3) Her age is not an excuse - we have had other contestants who have been younger or a similar age who haven't shown such disrespect/lack of manners. She has developed the wrong attitude.

4) Her delusion that she is going to change English music - rap has been around since the early 80's and the UK since early 90's. There are better and more credible hip hop artists out there in the UK - the idea that she thinks she is somehow special does not reflect well for her.

I hope she apologised to Dannii and was taken to task about her rudeness and learns to think before she speaks.

Patrick likes her as a performer but can see the damage this attitude does to her chances........

You truly deserve your Username, Truth Teller. Your post is spot on and very eloquently put.

[Novo]

She is the only person on the show that doesn't let the judges **** all over her.. you get the impression she is in control of herself and not Cheryl.. picking her own songs etc.. rightly so as well

[Truth Teller]

Originally Posted by Snowball

You truly deserve your Username, Truth Teller. Your post is spot on and very eloquently put.

Why thank you ((doffs hat and bows))

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Novo

She is the only person on the show that doesn't let the judges **** all over her.. you get the impression she is in control of herself and not Cheryl.. picking her own songs etc.. rightly so as well

Actually, that's incorrect. There was a certain band who refused to sign up to a particular song that Simon gave them, they stuck to their guns too.....

Cher is hardly unique

[Jack_]

Nothing On You > Love The Way You Lie

[alc09]

^

Both as rubbish and cringeworthy as each other.

This series of X-factor is nearly as bad as BB11.

[MeMyselfAndI]

Originally Posted by Dasher

See that's pathetic.

Every other contestant has their haters but no one goes into the uncalled for depth and vile name calling that you all do for her for no reason.

The way people pick little things about her to make a big deal out of just like you all do with Cheryl.

That's what's Pathetic.

ERM! Hello Leona Lewis. you call her horse fan. make fun of her appereance 'no one' excuse me you do it yourself you hippocrit! He made fun of chers performance, and it makes him a pathetic hater. then you do it. well guess whta patrick your the pathetic one.

Also not just leona.. you did it to Gamu aswell making fun of many aspects of the way she looks. the way she is. LMAO HIPPOCRIT!

[babycakes]

Originally Posted by Truth Teller

I think the problems for Cher after last night are the following:

1) Dannii is a judge, whether she liked what she said or not, it is her view and she has to respect that and behave accordingly on the show.

2) Cher's most popular performance to date is Stay. She was happy to sing it when she was in the bottom two and not rap - hmm - hypocrisy. Last night was about doing 2 contrasting performances not two of the same.

3) Her age is not an excuse - we have had other contestants who have been younger or a similar age who haven't shown such disrespect/lack of manners. She has developed the wrong attitude.

4) Her delusion that she is going to change English music - rap has been around since the early 80's and the UK since early 90's. There are better and more credible hip hop artists out there in the UK - the idea that she thinks she is somehow special does not reflect well for her.

I hope she apologised to Dannii and was taken to task about her rudeness and learns to think before she speaks.

Patrick likes her as a performer but can see the damage this attitude does to her chances........

I totally agree with all you say, with the exception of the date stamp given to the birth and even general popularity of the genre of rap & hip hop. I would have dated it to the mid 70's but if the spoken word mixed with rhythmic music was the birth of rap then the nod looks like it's being given to The Last Poets, more than 20 years before Cher Lloyd was born. http://www.digitaldreamdoor.com/page...timeline1.html
Sorry to be pedantic dear TT, but I am so immersed in black music that I am not only offended by her voice and interpretation, but I need the facts to be correct too LOL xxx

[Truth Teller]

Originally Posted by babycakes

I totally agree with all you say, with the exception of the date stamp given to the birth and even general popularity of the genre of rap & hip hop. I would have dated it to the mid 70's but if the spoken word mixed with rhythmic music was the birth of rap then the nod looks like it's being given to The Last Poets, more than 20 years before Cher Lloyd was born. http://www.digitaldreamdoor.com/page...timeline1.html
Sorry to be pedantic dear TT, but I am so immersed in black music that I am not only offended by her voice and interpretation, but I need the facts to be correct too LOL xxx

No problem. I was really refering to it coming into the mainstream though 70's is correct for the beginning. yes she is very un hip hop really......

[stewart64]

Originally Posted by Novo

She is the only person on the show that doesn't let the judges **** all over her.. you get the impression she is in control of herself and not Cheryl.. picking her own songs etc.. rightly so as well

So right. Love the the contempt that Cher shows the judges, beats all that dutiful nodding from Matt and Becks. She is SO real.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Marczipan

Dannii Minogue speaks the most truth on that show, she is the best judge by far!

Which is funny because she's had the least success out of the whole panel!

She is the best judge,I agree, and although she hasn't had great success on the show as also Louis hasn't really, she is the only mentor to ever on X Factor get the winner and runner up the same year,albeit Leon Jackson and Rhydian.

You are correct, she speaks the truth and also tries to do it really constructively too.

[nanaimo]

Originally Posted by Truth Teller

I think the problems for Cher after last night are the following:

1) Dannii is a judge, whether she liked what she said or not, it is her view and she has to respect that and behave accordingly on the show.

2) Cher's most popular performance to date is Stay. She was happy to sing it when she was in the bottom two and not rap - hmm - hypocrisy. Last night was about doing 2 contrasting performances not two of the same.

3) Her age is not an excuse - we have had other contestants who have been younger or a similar age who haven't shown such disrespect/lack of manners. She has developed the wrong attitude.

4) Her delusion that she is going to change English music - rap has been around since the early 80's and the UK since early 90's. There are better and more credible hip hop artists out there in the UK - the idea that she thinks she is somehow special does not reflect well for her.

I hope she apologised to Dannii and was taken to task about her rudeness and learns to think before she speaks.

Patrick likes her as a performer but can see the damage this attitude does to her chances........

Perfection. one of the best and spot on posts i have read on tibb

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Truth Teller

I think the problems for Cher after last night are the following:

1) Dannii is a judge, whether she liked what she said or not, it is her view and she has to respect that and behave accordingly on the show.

2) Cher's most popular performance to date is Stay. She was happy to sing it when she was in the bottom two and not rap - hmm - hypocrisy. Last night was about doing 2 contrasting performances not two of the same.

3) Her age is not an excuse - we have had other contestants who have been younger or a similar age who haven't shown such disrespect/lack of manners. She has developed the wrong attitude.

4) Her delusion that she is going to change English music - rap has been around since the early 80's and the UK since early 90's. There are better and more credible hip hop artists out there in the UK - the idea that she thinks she is somehow special does not reflect well for her.

I hope she apologised to Dannii and was taken to task about her rudeness and learns to think before she speaks.

Patrick likes her as a performer but can see the damage this attitude does to her chances........

Excellent post.

I wonder what Tinie Tempah and Dizzee Rascal think about this 'twist' she is going to give English music?

[Truth Teller]

Originally Posted by nanaimo

Perfection. one of the best and spot on posts i have read on tibb

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Excellent post.

I wonder what Tinie Tempah and Dizzee Rascal think about this 'twist' she is going to give English music?

Thank you both

They probably both spluttered into their cups of tea when she said that.........its all hype........