[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Zippy

They should move the release of these songs away from christmas. Then they can be as dreary(like this one) as they want. Sick of the christmas charts being hijacked every year. Simon has killed a massive tradition off totally...who will be christmas number one used to be a huge thing.

If someone brought a decent Christmas song out and people liked it they would buy it,it's not Simons fault that nothing new is on the market,Matt is number one as people like this record obviously.Nothing anyone can do to stop people liking and buying what they want,just because it does not 'fit in' with what some people want at Chriustmas.

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by kazanne

If someone brought a decent Christmas song out and people liked it they would buy it,it's not Simons fault that nothing new is on the market,Matt is number one as people like this record obviously.Nothing anyone can do to stop people liking and buying what they want,just because it does not 'fit in' with what some people want at Chriustmas.

dont be silly. Nobody can compete with the promotion XF gets. The winning songs can sell like 4-500k on release. Nobody(short of campaigns like RATM) can compete with that.

It's a monopoly and should be stopped.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Zippy

dont be silly. Nobody can compete with the promotion XF gets. The winning songs can sell like 4-500k on release. Nobody(short of campaigns like RATM) can compete with that.

It's a monopoly and should be stopped.

Well people obviously are buying the record XFactor or not,if people DO NOT LIKE something they don't buy it surely,Does it really matter what is number one Christmas day? it's just a day,music is music,not all of us will like the same,this year is the first time I have ever brought an XFactor winners song and that is because I like it.

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by kazanne

Does it really matter what is number one Christmas day?

Yes! are you foreign?

This is the UK and christmas No1 is(or WAS) a huge tradition. Now ruined. A lot of people resent that.

and given that all the winning songs seem to sell massively I think a lot do buy it regardless of how good it is.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by kazanne

If someone brought a decent Christmas song out and people liked it they would buy it,it's not Simons fault that nothing new is on the market,Matt is number one as people like this record obviously.Nothing anyone can do to stop people liking and buying what they want,just because it does not 'fit in' with what some people want at Chriustmas.

Most people bought it because they find Matt 'sexy'. A million other men could have sung the same boring fucking cover that he did. People bought it because of the sex appeal and the fact that it's the X-Factor number one. It's become a national holiday pastime for goodness sake. The song itself is entirely unspectacular and humdrum. It just caught on through the relentless promotion and all the mentioned circumstances to the point where a tune you would under any other circumstances would never have considered became catchy to ones brain.

Listen to any piece of dirt for long enough and it will catch on.

It amazes me that people are entirely apathetic to how boring it has all become. Look at darling Matt's customary winners video. Boring shots of him against some abstract studio backround mixed in with slow motion black and white shots of him on the X-Factor or something like that. Same as every other bloody winners song. Where is the leg room for new creativity? Does it not bother you in the slightest?

He is a relentless bore who will be replaced by another relentless bore in twelve months time. Look at who he inheritid the crown from for fuck sake.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Stu

Most people bought it because they find Matt 'sexy'. A million other men could have sung the same boring fucking cover that he did. People bought it because of the sex appeal and the fact that it's the X-Factor number one. It's become a national holiday pastime for goodness sake. The song itself is entirely unspectacular and humdrum. It just caught on through the relentless promotion and all the mentioned circumstances to the point where a tune you would under any other circumstances would never have considered became catchy to ones brain.

Listen to any piece of dirt for long enough and it will catch on.

It amazes me that people are entirely apathetic to how boring it has all become. Look at darling Matt's customary winners video. Boring shots of him against some abstract studio backround mixed in with slow motion black and white shots of him on the X-Factor or something like that. Same as every other bloody winners song. Where is the leg room for new creativity? Does it not bother you in the slightest?

He is a relentless bore who will be replaced by another relentless bore in twelve months time. Look at who he inheritid the crown from for fuck sake.

People need to get over it,Matt is popular for whatever reason as are all chart singers,and I repeat,IF someone brought out a Christmas song that was on a par with the greats,it would sell,it is an insult to people to suggest that just because they like an 'XFactor' song that they are apathetic,just as it would be insulting to say that people who liked 'your' type of music are apathetic and boring,one mans meat is another mans poison ,there are far more important things in the world to get stressed about than the Christmas number 1.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Zippy

Yes! are you foreign?

This is the UK and christmas No1 is(or WAS) a huge tradition. Now ruined. A lot of people resent that.

and given that all the winning songs seem to sell massively I think a lot do buy it regardless of how good it is.

Christmas has lost a lot of things that are 'traditional' as proved on a thread here a while ago about Christmas being celebrated just for it's commercial value now,Can you remember the last great Christmas song brought out here in the uk?,it was years ago,before The XFactor started,we may have got the odd one but nothing like John Lennons,Slade,Wizard type songs,but perhaps some prefer Cliff Richards!

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by kazanne

Christmas has lost a lot of things that are 'traditional' as proved on a thread here a while ago about Christmas being celebrated just for it's commercial value now,Can you remember the last great Christmas song brought out here in the uk?,it was years ago,before The XFactor started,we may have got the odd one but nothing like John Lennons,Slade,Wizard type songs,but perhaps some prefer Cliff Richards!

Im not even talking about christmas songs. There's always been big speculation about who will get the number one spot. It used to be a big deal. But now everybody knows its sewn up by the XF winner. Boring!

Hijacked.

ps; and nobody bothers even trying to compete anymore because they know its futile. They just don't bother releasing big records at that time.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Zippy

Im not even talking about christmas songs. There's always been big speculation about who will get the number one spot. It used to be a big deal. But now everybody knows its sewn up by the XF winner. Boring!

Hijacked.

ps; and nobody bothers even trying to compete anymore because they know its futile. They just don't bother releasing big records at that time.

It's always been a bit of a joke though, Mr Blobby, Bod the Builder etc.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by kazanne

People need to get over it,Matt is popular for whatever reason as are all chart singers,and I repeat,IF someone brought out a Christmas song that was on a par with the greats,it would sell,it is an insult to people to suggest that just because they like an 'XFactor' song that they are apathetic,just as it would be insulting to say that people who liked 'your' type of music are apathetic and boring,one mans meat is another mans poison ,there are far more important things in the world to get stressed about than the Christmas number 1.

I'm just making points. What is it that indicated I am stressing out? You could at least properly respond to some of the points instead of just totally avoiding them and giving these bizarre blanket arguments and proverbs.

Just how do you know christmas songs have not already been released this year that are on par with 'the greats'? I am going to assume you don't exactly dig deep for your musical kicks, and as many great artists neither have the money nor lucrative platform to push their songs to airplay - the ones that can even be bothered because as Zippy alluded to the X-Factor bores have scared off a lot of genuine competition from even bothering - how exactly are you comftorable with making such wide assumptions?

If a great was released? If? You hear what is sent directly to your musical inbox. Very little else. Plenty of better songs than Matt's [in name only, of course] 'effort' were released this year. It's just that most people will never have heard of them because most people don't look for music. Music finds them. That's not an indictment of people or pop more a nod to the way the industry - and it's consumers - work.

So please ... stop pretending Matt won because it was genuinly the best thing going. It wasn't. It was an event and people love events. They are more than happy to buy into it and feel that collective sense of victory when 'they' play a part in helping Matt 'overcome' or whatever other jubilant adjective you care to use.

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by MTVN

It's always been a bit of a joke though, Mr Blobby, Bod the Builder etc.

Whether the songs are good or not is besides the point. It's about a free market. And christmas is for kids so at least those songs are appropriate.

ps; Im not stressed about it either. Just calmly giving opinion. *eats another pringle*

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Zippy

Whether the songs are good or not is besides the point. It's about a free market. And christmas is for kids so at least those songs are appropriate.

Yeah I suppose so, it would be nice if it was more competetitive again

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Stu

I'm just making points. What is it that indicated I am stressing out? You could at least properly respond to some of the points instead of just totally avoiding them and giving these bizarre blanket arguments and proverbs.

Just how do you know christmas songs have not already been released this year that are on par with 'the greats'? I am going to assume you don't exactly dig deep for your musical kicks, and as many great artists neither have the money nor lucrative platform to push their songs to airplay - the ones that can even be bothered because as Zippy alluded to the X-Factor bores have scared off a lot of genuine competition from even bothering - how exactly are you comftorable with making such wide assumptions?

If a great was released? If? You hear what is sent directly to your musical inbox. Very little else. Plenty of better songs than Matt's [in name only, of course] 'effort' were released this year. It's just that most people will never have heard of them because most people don't look for music. Music finds them. That's not an indictment of people or pop more a nod to the way the industry - and it's consumers - work.

So please ... stop pretending Matt won because it was genuinly the best thing going. It wasn't. It was an event and people love events. They are more than happy to buy into it and feel that collective sense of victory when 'they' play a part in helping Matt 'overcome' or whatever other jubilant adjective you care to use.

How am I pretending? Matt won because people liked him,Matt is number one because people brought the record.People are not 'forced' to do anything.

[Harry!]

Originally Posted by Stu

It's just that most people will never have heard of them because most people don't look for music. Music finds them. That's not an indictment of people or pop more a nod to the way the industry - and it's consumers - work.

I look for music

[Stu]

Originally Posted by kazanne

How am I pretending? Matt won because people liked him,Matt is number one because people brought the record.People are not 'forced' to do anything.

I didn't say they were forced. You took a long, entirely logical explanation that I took the time to type up and replied with one sentence disregarding everything and instead insinuating something that I never once actually said.

This is wonderful.

[JamesWBB]

We've had 6 series of cheesy winning songs, I thought it was nice for a change. Afterall people will get bored of the overdone winning ballads.