[Jake.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I dont need to it is up to whoever believes such illogical superstition to prove that they have a basis for their claptrap.

This is why science and logic works and superstition and religion does not....

Oh my. I never knew that there was a problem with believing in heaven and god and all that. Im a catholic (not a full-on one) and I believe in both (the belief of heaven and the theroy of science) . But I am able to accept different views, because any could be true. Whether there is or not doesn't matter, sometimes believing in these sorts of things gives people comfort. It doesn't make it wrong or claptrap. I would rather live my life believing some day, I shall meet with my members of family who are deceased, rather than live thinking that when I die, I die, and that is it. Bashing people who believe in things such as heaven and the bible does not make your point any more valid. Rant over.

[Z]

Whether or not there's an afterlife, I think it's annoying when people try to force their views on you. So whether that's a religious person trying to convert you or a non-religious person trying to convince you that there's no God, it's annoying either way. Let everyone be, isn't that what we're meant to be aiming for - some kind of universal tolerance of each other?

[Stu]

Originally Posted by JH95

Oh my. I never knew that there was a problem with believing in heaven and god and all that. Im a catholic (not a full-on one) and I believe in both (the belief of heaven and the theroy of science) . But I am able to accept different views, because any could be true. Whether there is or not doesn't matter, sometimes believing in these sorts of things gives people comfort. It doesn't make it wrong or claptrap. I would rather live my life believing some day, I shall meet with my members of family who are deceased, rather than live thinking that when I die, I die, and that is it. Bashing people who believe in things such as heaven and the bible does not make your point any more valid. Rant over.

What about hell? Do you believe in that? Because both exist and are very real places according to The Bible. Or are you one of those people who conveniently believes in only the good stuff or chalks hell up to a state of mind or something like that?

And there is no need for debate on if The Bible is wrong or claptrap. It is. Whatever about spirituality as a whole but The Bible is hillariously fallible, contradictory and historically unaccurate. With most of the best stuff toward the end being hijacked from other older traditions.

But I assume your well versed in it. Being a Catholic you've surely read it cover to cover by now?

[fruit_cake]

It seems to me that you either believe or you don't. The boy in the video clearly believes, others in this thread clearly don't

[Z]

...yeah?

[Stu]

And even that simplification isin't accurate. What about fence sitters and people who have not made up their minds yet?

Agnostics, yo. Word.

[fruit_cake]

Originally Posted by Xanax Santa

And even that simplification isin't accurate. What about fence sitters and people who have not made up their minds yet?

Agnostics, yo. Word.

I'd say they are non believers

[arista]

Originally Posted by Zee

Whether or not there's an afterlife, I think it's annoying when people try to force their views on you. So whether that's a religious person trying to convert you or a non-religious person trying to convince you that there's no God, it's annoying either way. Let everyone be, isn't that what we're meant to be aiming for - some kind of universal tolerance of each other?

Are You On Weed or Something


As that will Never Happen on this Planet of No God

[Jake.]

Originally Posted by Xanax Santa

What about hell? Do you believe in that? Because both exist and are very real places according to The Bible. Or are you one of those people who conveniently believes in only the good stuff or chalks hell up to a state of mind or something like that?

And there is no need for debate on if The Bible is wrong or claptrap. It is. Whatever about spirituality as a whole but The Bible is hillariously fallible, contradictory and historically unaccurate. With most of the best stuff toward the end being hijacked from other older traditions.

But I assume your well versed in it. Being a Catholic you've surely read it cover to cover by now?

The Bible is a book of morals, not real stories, Iv'e always known that. Being a Catholic doesnt mean I go to church or read both, because I do neither. And honestly, I believe that there is a place such as hell where those who derserve to be there are there. Being a Catholic doesn't mean I force my views on other people, and as stated before I'm not a hugely religious one, I have my own beliefs just like everyone else in the world.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by JH95

The Bible is a book of morals, not real stories, Iv'e always known that. Being a Catholic doesnt mean I go to church or read both, because I do neither. And honestly, I believe that there is a place such as hell where those who derserve to be there are there. Being a Catholic doesn't mean I force my views on other people, and as stated before I'm not a hugely religious one, I have my own beliefs just like everyone else in the world.

So you consider yourself a Christian but do not participate in the two most important aspects of your faith : Sacrifice and Scripture?

That's an odd one. And yes there is plenty of stories in The Bible. And I'm not just talking about the parables. Any sort of Christian worth his or her salt is quite clearly meant to believe it is also a rough historic document.

You appear to have concocted your own religion though. So which bits are stories not made to be taken seriously? Was that whole Jesus bit a story?

I'm sorry if I appear like I'm coming down hard but this stuff just baffles me.

[Shaun]

i'd feel sad for him if he hadn't used that music in the video. It's like Michael Bay teamed up with Magnetic Man.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

You simply cannot prove that something does not exist. Thats ridiculous

Yes you can

Originally Posted by Xanax Santa

Seems like awhile since we've had one of these threads. I'm here, Joe's here and LT's here. Let's get a fire going until Sticks arrives.

Arista hasn't turned up with an image of a Richard Dawkins book yet though

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Tom

Yes you can



Arista hasn't turned up with an image of a Richard Dawkins book yet though

How?

[Tom]

Originally Posted by Christmas Neeve

How?

Offer alternate explanations or criticise the things in favour of its existence? You can prove that your kids imaginary friend doesn't exist, so I'm sure you can do the same for religion. Its the same thing after all but imaginary friend on a mass scale

Just found this on Google also

The Bible and the Church says that:
1. God is omnibenevolent. He has infinite love for all humans.
2. God is omniscience. He knows everything there is.
3. God is omnipotent. He can do anything he wants.


The problem of Evil and Suffering
1. As God is omnibenevolent he wouldn’t want us to suffer.
2. If we were suffering God would know how, why and how to stop it
3. God is omnipotent and can do anything he wants.

So God can't exist. And if he does its not in the form he's expected and so you begin to chip away at this so called God.

Seems pretty logical and straight forward enough to me?

/a level religion

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Tom

Offer alternate explanations or criticise the things in favour of its existence? You can prove that your kids imaginary friend doesn't exist, so I'm sure you can do the same for religion. Its the same thing after all but imaginary friend on a mass scale

Offering an alternative explanation isn't proof though and no one can prove that a childs imaginary friend doesn't actually exist either

[Stu]

In the case of a childs imaginary friend you have the foreknowledge that it's made up though. Well ... much easier foreknowledge.

A better example would be my old favourite : The Space Wolves.

Prove Space Wolves don't exist i.e. destroy my dreams.

[fruit_cake]

I don't see why the bible is really relevant?? it seems to me that either you believe that something is in control of the universe and our destiny or fate (God) or that it's all random and pointless (evolution)

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by christmas_cake

I don't see why the bible is really relevant?? it seems to me that either you believe that something is in control of the universe and our destiny or fate (God) or that it's all random and pointless (evolution)

Unfortunately, I lean more towards random and pointless. I mean, if something is in control of our destiny and fate, why do bad things happen to good people? Why are innocent children killed in accidents or get life threatening diseases? Answer: Because it's all random and pointless

[Stu]

Originally Posted by christmas_cake

I don't see why the bible is really relevant?? it seems to me that either you believe that something is in control of the universe and our destiny or fate (God) or that it's all random and pointless (evolution)

You are simplifying it way, way too much. What about Deism? Whereby a godhead figure kickstarted the universe but has no involvement with it? What about a belief system where someone believes in Evolution but doesn't believe it's all random? What about the multitude of spiritual belief systems one can conjure up without the need for a godhead?

And The Bible is one of the biggest 'spiritual' tracts in the world hence why people are mentioning it. It's relevant because people believe it to an extent and others are interested in knowing why or how. It's not that hard to figure out, is it? People like debating things out. There's no harm in that. Obviously you can throw stock statements like "Some people believe, and some people don't" out until the cows come home but all they are are null platitudes that don't really add anything to the discussion.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Xanax Santa

In the case of a childs imaginary friend you have the foreknowledge that it's made up though. Well ... much easier foreknowledge.

A better example would be my old favourite : The Space Wolves.

Prove Space Wolves don't exist i.e. destroy my dreams.

I saw a space wolf once

[Stu]

[fruit_cake]

Originally Posted by Christmas Neeve

Unfortunately, I lean more towards random and pointless. I mean, if something is in control of our destiny and fate, why do bad things happen to good people? Why are innocent children killed in accidents or get life threatening diseases? Answer: Because it's all random and pointless

It seems to me that we all have a set of morals inbuilt in our heads, some of us ignore them others don't though. Why would we have that? we all know whats right and wrong. Bad things happen according to the bible because the devil is in control of the world and weak people are seduced by him

[fruit_cake]

Originally Posted by Xanax Santa

You are simplifying it way, way too much. What about Deism? Whereby a godhead figure kickstarted the universe but has no involvement with it? What about a belief system where someone believes in Evolution but doesn't believe it's all random? What about the multitude of spiritual belief systems one can conjure up without the need for a godhead?

And The Bible is one of the biggest 'spiritual' tracts in the world hence why people are mentioning it. It's relevant because people believe it to an extent and others are interested in knowing why or how. It's not that hard to figure out, is it? People like debating things out. There's no harm in that. Obviously you can throw stock statements like "Some people believe, and some people don't" out until the cows come home but all they are are null platitudes that don't really add anything to the discussion.

maybe you're complicating it too much I don't know I don't think religion is a complicated thing really, not that I know that much about it or anything

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by christmas_cake

It seems to me that we all have a set of morals inbuilt in our heads, some of us ignore them others don't though. Why would we have that? we all know whats right and wrong. Bad things happen according to the bible because the devil is in control of the world and weak people are seduced by him

But what is morally acceptable has varied so much throughout history and it still does across the world today, morality is all relative

[Jake.]

Originally Posted by Xanax Santa

So you consider yourself a Christian but do not participate in the two most important aspects of your faith : Sacrifice and Scripture?

That's an odd one. And yes there is plenty of stories in The Bible. And I'm not just talking about the parables. Any sort of Christian worth his or her salt is quite clearly meant to believe it is also a rough historic document.

You appear to have concocted your own religion though. So which bits are stories not made to be taken seriously? Was that whole Jesus bit a story?

I'm sorry if I appear like I'm coming down hard but this stuff just baffles me.

If you honestly think that EVERY catholic believes in the bible, then your deluded. Of course I think Jesus was real. That doesnt mean that I have to believe that a 700 year old man enjoyed a boatride with ***** loads of animals. Oh, and you don' t need to come down hard on me, because you do not know me and you have no say in what I believe in.