[Kizzy]

The conservatives have always as far back as you care to go looked after the rich....they have a 'hands off' approach to the poorest members of society.
I despise what they are doing to this country, and to public services and teachers in particular!
I wish we could get rid of them, as part of the coalition though I'm glad the Lib Dems get a say in decisions a la quid pro quo...Otherwise they would compleatly destroy the fabric of this country.
When will people realise they WANT an us and them society?

[Omah]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Omah, it's not in the interest of big business and wealthy owners of business to want to see an economy that liimits their growth and thereby affects their wealth, they don't have to care as to giving employment to others, the fact they are and do, when they are really successful means they 'need' to employ people to build even more of and secure their empires and wealth.
That is how they help create the success of the UK in part.

Erm, joey, as I've pointed out "big business and wealthy owners of business" are not having their growth limited - they're all getting wealthier by the minute ..... as for "needing" to employ people to "build their empires and wealth", that's patently not true of an economy which no longer has a manufacturing base and which relies for much of its weath generation on the movement of money around the world, which activity is controlled by the top 1% wealthiest people in the UK, including Cameron and Osborne .....

I consider,I live in the real world, I am not blinkered by one party as to politics, Conservative,Labour or any other,in my view they have both failed the UK over the last 30+ years, The Conservatives for 18 years and then Labour for 13 more.

If you're still in "education" and being supported by either parents or the state or both then you have no idea what it's like to be one of the 2.65m unemployed and their dependants, or one of the tens of thousands taking a pay cut or freeze, while trying to keep a family together with a roof over their heads and food on the table .....

Of course I haven't met the PM or George Osborne but I said I was sure,(that I personally was sure),that neither of them would not want the scenario I portrayed,no one who aspires to lead the UK I believe really wants to harm it.

Dream on ..... Cameron's Cronies are making hay while the sun still shines and say "Sod Off" to the rest of us .....do you really think that the current crop of politicians are thinking of the "good of the country"?

All their "networking" is centred around establishing contacts for making money, either in the short term or the long, a practice perfected by Thatcher and Blair, who were never found with their hands in the till while in office but who made millions from their "fame" thereafter .....

[Omah]

Originally Posted by kazanne

Quote:
David Cameron and George Osborne want that scenario to be the case I am sure of that, 'posh' boys or not, arrogant or not.

How are you sure? Do you know them?


begs the question,Do you?

Yea, I've met them both, but even then I wouldn't presume to "know" what they're thinking - they both certainly came across as smug and patronising .....

[joeysteele]

Omah, students have a really tough time at Uni, I am very fortunate to be supported fully by my parents ,yes, however I know many people who are unemployed and the struggles they have, studying law as well as politics, I need to know all there is for such people who are in need as to their rights.

I tell you something, a great deal of people you would term as struggling, would say they struggled less under the Conservatives than they did when Labour was in.

I think you are wrong in your perception of big business and the wealthy owners of business, so we will have to just agree to disagree on that one

It is said Cameron and Osborne are posh boys and have no understanding as to ordinary people, that is a charge laid at the door of a fair few Conservative politicians, surprisingly not laid at Tony Blairs for some reason, yet during his time as PM, the gap between richest and poorest got 'worse' than it was under the 18 years of Conservative Govt.

I don't need to dream on Omah and if all you can do is ridicule rather than present facts then I think it is best we leave things where they are on this now.
All my best to you, I agree a lot with what you say at times ,in this mini debate we seem poles apart though and are going round in circles.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Omah, students have a really tough time at Uni, I am very fortunate to be supported fully by my parents ,yes, however I know many people who are unemployed and the struggles they have, studying law as well as politics, I need to know all there is for such people who are in need as to their rights.

joey, "knowing people who are unemployed" is not the same as being unemployed with a family to support and bills to pay .....

I tell you something, a great deal of people you would term as struggling, would say they struggled less under the Conservatives than they did when Labour was in.

So you say - where are your statistics ?

I think you are wrong in your perception of big business and the wealthy owners of business, so we will have to just agree to disagree on that one

I think that your complete lack of experience in the business world leads you to that erroneous conclusion .....

It is said Cameron and Osborne are posh boys and have no understanding as to ordinary people, that is a charge laid at the door of a fair few Conservative politicians, surprisingly not laid at Tony Blairs for some reason, yet during his time as PM, the gap between richest and poorest got 'worse' than it was under the 18 years of Conservative Govt.

joey, as I've pointed out, the gap between richest and poorest is now 'worse' than it was before the First World War and long before the first Labour government of 1924 .....

I don't need to dream on Omah and if all you can do is ridicule rather than present facts then I think it is best we leave things where they are on this now.

joey, you have, as yet, not presented any facts, just expressed your unsubstantiated opinions .....

[Omah]

Originally Posted by kazanne

The MIRROR ? say no more,lol.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17819623

Prime Minister David Cameron talks to the BBC's Nick Robinson about a variety of topics including Abu Qatada's deportation, fuel duty and tax policy.

The prime minister was also asked if he was "out of touch" and responded by saying he did "a lot of the family shopping" and often went to Sainsburys in his Chipping Norton constituency "on a Friday or a Saturday".

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2...gant-posh-boys

The prime minister then insisted he knows the price of milk. "I do a lot of my own shopping. I go to Sainsbury's in Chipping Norton on a Friday or a Saturday. I do a lot of the family shopping. Sam does a lot of it on the internet."

Asked about the price of a pint of milk, he said: "I pay just under 50p."

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by kizzy

The conservatives have always as far back as you care to go looked after the rich....they have a 'hands off' approach to the poorest members of society.
I despise what they are doing to this country, and to public services and teachers in particular!
I wish we could get rid of them, as part of the coalition though I'm glad the Lib Dems get a say in decisions a la quid pro quo...Otherwise they would compleatly destroy the fabric of this country.
When will people realise they WANT an us and them society?

So why do you think labour did not win the last election?lol they brought Britain to it's knees,now someone has to try and pick it up,I despise Labour for what they did to this country,I was always a Labour voter until Blair thought he was the second coming,do you really believe they would get us back on our feet again?we may not be there yet but at least we are going in the right direction,I guess labour as they are now are great for people who want something for nothing.they'll borrow to keep the voters sweet,they can always leave their mess for someone else.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Omah, students have a really tough time at Uni, I am very fortunate to be supported fully by my parents ,yes, however I know many people who are unemployed and the struggles they have, studying law as well as politics, I need to know all there is for such people who are in need as to their rights.

I tell you something, a great deal of people you would term as struggling, would say they struggled less under the Conservatives than they did when Labour was in.

I think you are wrong in your perception of big business and the wealthy owners of business, so we will have to just agree to disagree on that one

It is said Cameron and Osborne are posh boys and have no understanding as to ordinary people, that is a charge laid at the door of a fair few Conservative politicians, surprisingly not laid at Tony Blairs for some reason, yet during his time as PM, the gap between richest and poorest got 'worse' than it was under the 18 years of Conservative Govt.

I don't need to dream on Omah and if all you can do is ridicule rather than present facts then I think it is best we leave things where they are on this now.
All my best to you, I agree a lot with what you say at times ,in this mini debate we seem poles apart though and are going round in circles.

Excellent, well thought-through post as usual joey.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Livia

Excellent, well thought-through post as usual joey.

One tries one's best Livia.

Seriously, thank you,it is praise indeed when it comes from you.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kazanne

So why do you think labour did not win the last election?lol they brought Britain to it's knees,now someone has to try and pick it up,I despise Labour for what they did to this country,I was always a Labour voter until Blair thought he was the second coming,do you really believe they would get us back on our feet again?we may not be there yet but at least we are going in the right direction,I guess labour as they are now are great for people who want something for nothing.they'll borrow to keep the voters sweet,they can always leave their mess for someone else.

Someone has to try and pick it up...How do you do that...
By deprofessionalizing teachers and public services?
By aiding fatcat bosses of payday loans companies who charge 4000% interest to trap the poor into a spiral of debt?
By creating a north/south pay divide?
By creating a panic over fuel and chipping away at workers rights?
By tearing apart the NHS?
No...It's not i'm afraid.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Someone has to try and pick it up...How do you do that...
By deprofessionalizing teachers and public services?
By aiding fatcat bosses of payday loans companies who charge 4000% interest to trap the poor into a spiral of debt?
By creating a north/south pay divide?
By creating a panic over fuel and chipping away at workers rights?
By tearing apart the NHS?
No...It's not i'm afraid.

Sorry,I disagree with all the above,people need to stop and think of just how lucky we are in this country,times are hard we all have to do our bit to help get us back on our feet,and it was not the government that made people go out and greedily FILL up their cars etc,common sense would have been to top it up a little, infact i think that was the words used but as usual people panic and as for tearing the NHS apart it's all propaganda on Labours part it will never happen,not under the Conservatives anyway.

[Omah]

A major Conservative Party donor has said he will not give money to the party again because of David Cameron's "arrogant Old Etonian" style of leadership.

Millionaire Sir Tom Cowie told the Guardian he is "very, very disappointed" with the Tory leader.

He is highly critical of Mr Cameron's decision to visit Rwanda while his Oxfordshire constituents were suffering from flooding and the row over ending support for grammar schools.

The entrepreneur has reportedly donated more than £630,000 to the party since 2001 and gave more than £500,000 towards its 2005 general election campaign.

In response to a question about the present state of the Conservatives he told the newspaper: "Are you sure you don't want to hear foul language? ... All I can say is I am very, very disappointed with the state of the party. I will not mince my words: I shan't send them any more money."

Sir Tom, 84, said he would instead donate money to one of the Prince of Wales' charities, the Prince's Trust, which helps disadvantaged young people set up their own businesses.

http://www.metro.co.uk/news/60300-to...#ixzz1szdmbSfG

[Livia]

Snobbery is disgusting... but no less disgusting than inverted snobbery. Assuming someone from a privileged background is a chinless wonder out of touch with reality is no different from assuming someone from a working class background is a jobless chav.

[Omah]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz1t082RiCG

David Cameron will try to avoid close dealings with tax-dodging businessmen in future, he pledged yesterday.

The Prime Minister, whose party has been accused of being too close to the rich, said the Government was cracking down on individuals and businesses carrying out ‘aggressive tax avoidance’.

When asked if he would try to avoid dealing with tax dodgers, he told the BBC: ‘Generally speaking, yes, I think that’s sensible.’

Only 'Generally' ?

But he refused to comment on Sir Philip Green’s tax affairs – the billionaire retailer who was a Government efficiency adviser.

Critics accuse Sir Philip of avoiding millions of pounds of tax by registering most of his business in the name of his wife Tina, who lives in Monaco.

Mr Cameron said: ‘He came up with very sensible suggestions for how you could reduce costs in government and therefore reduce people’s tax liabilities.'

Ah, he'll make exceptions for billionaire buddies .....