[InOne]

I guess the moral of the story is don't attempt to smuggle drugs.

[Apple202]

Originally Posted by Sticks

This wretched drug smuggler has now lost a case to get our government to fund an appeal, which she can not afford


See here

This is excellent news as it means she will be unable to appeal and now will definitely be executed as an example to others

A triumph for justice, especially of those who are victims of drug fuelled crime

oh dear oh dear oh dear

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Sticks

This wretched drug smuggler has now lost a case to get our government to fund an appeal, which she can not afford


See here

This is excellent news as it means she will be unable to appeal and now will definitely be executed as an example to others

A triumph for justice, especially of those who are victims of drug fuelled crime

[Sticks]

Originally Posted by Salman!

sad news.

Only for evil drug smuggling scum!

Good news for those who have been victims of drug related crimes, like the pensioner mugged and beaten up for her meagre pension so some junkie can get another fix.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Sticks

Only for evil drug smuggling scum!

Good news for those who have been victims of drug related crimes, like the pensioner mugged and beaten up for her meagre pension so some junkie can get another fix.

What about all the alcohol-related crimes and does this not apply to the countless amount of domestic abuse cases, for instance, that have been alcohol-fueled? Or drink driving?

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Redway

What about all the alcohol-related crimes and does this not apply to the countless amount of domestic abuse cases, for instance, that have been alcohol-fueled? Or drink driving?

Very good point Redway,so much damage and destruction done by alcohol related crimes,and Yes this lady did wrong,but death? really is too extreme.

[Sticks]

And I was at a council meeting on Monday where we had police officers detailing how they place objections to establishments trying to sell liquor.

The fundamental difference is that liquor is currently legal, drugs are not! In some countries liquor is just as outlawed.

For the record I am teetotal

[Jack_]

This must be one of the most disgusting cases of injustice that I have ever seen. And effectively cheering and getting excited at a woman's impending execution is perhaps the most disturbing thing I have ever seen on this forum. There are no words.

[Jack_]

Has the thought ever crossed your mind Sticks, that perhaps we should focus on and begin to try and investigate and understand why such crimes happen in the first place? Why people turn to drugs and drug-related crime? Instead of all this reactionary 'hang the bastard! chop his balls off!!!! die *****!!!!!!!!' nonsense that doesn't actually discover the true causes of such crime. Just an idea.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Very good point Redway,so much damage and destruction done by alcohol related crimes,and Yes this lady did wrong,but death? really is too extreme.

Thank you .

Originally Posted by Sticks

And I was at a council meeting on Monday where we had police officers detailing how they place objections to establishments trying to sell liquor.

The fundamental difference is that liquor is currently legal, drugs are not! In some countries liquor is just as outlawed.

For the record I am teetotal

So the fact that alcohol's legal renders it totally harmless and safe to use, does it? I think you'll find that alcohol is in the top 5 of most harmful drugs - legal or illegal - and the status of all these other substances absolutely does not mean that they should have that status and you're coming across as quite ignorant on this issue with your wacky, dodgy and quite frankly sickening views on drugs.

Bottom is alcohol does cause more damage than a lot of other substances and whether it's legal or illegal is completely irrelevant and bares no relevance to this at all. At all. You can spin it all you like but it's the truth.

I'm not denying that cocaine's a very harmful substance - and not condoning this lady's behaviour - but locking someone up for life is harsh enough. Killing someone over it takes the piss and it's retarded and I'm not sure which is more worrying - the rules or the fact that someone is actually eager for someone to die.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Has the thought ever crossed your mind Sticks, that perhaps we should focus on and begin to try and investigate and understand why such crimes happen in the first place? Why people turn to drugs and drug-related crime? Instead of all this reactionary 'hang the bastard! chop his balls off!!!! die *****!!!!!!!!' nonsense that doesn't actually discover the true causes of such crime. Just an idea.

Agree with this. A lady smuggling millions of pounds' worth of cocaine is an extreme case but normally there are underlying reasons that drive them to it and these people who are so in favour of the barbaric current drugs laws seldom consider the fact there are emotional issues and misfortunate events, etc, that could have driven them to take the drug in the first place. It's just like why people turn to alcohol in a lot of cases ... only with illegal substances and a lot of people sadly tend to think illegal = worthy of imprisonment and would rather these people are kept in cages rather than given the help they need (if they want it).

It's ridiculous.

[Sticks]

When I was at university we heard the sad case of a 12 year old who died after taking one ecstasy tablet.

Drugs are not harmless

Those who gave that girl the tablet should have been done for murder

[Redway]

And how many people are killed a year with alcohol? I know that drugs can potentially be very dangerous but the same criticisms apply to legal drugs, such as alcohol and tobacco, and somehow I don't see much prohibition with any of these substances?

Legal does not = safe and illegal does not = dangerous (and vice versa).

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Redway

And how many people are killed a year with alcohol? I know that drugs can potentially be very dangerous but the same criticisms apply to legal drugs, such as alcohol and tobacco, and somehow I don't see much prohibition with any of these substances?

Legal does not = safe and illegal does not = dangerous (and vice versa).

Exactly. But of course the almighty powers above know best...

Let's just believe what we're told and not think for ourselves.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Exactly. But of course the almighty powers above know best...

Let's just believe what we're told and not think for ourselves.

Exactly. This hypocritical "drugs are bad for you because they just are ok" notion is for those who don't actually think for themselves and believe anything just because the government approves/disapproves of it and to be for such an ineffective, ridiculous and by and large unsupported approach because TPTB say so is ignorant.

Of course, the government has always been right with the approach to this topic - such as prohibition of alcohol in the 1920s? Somehow that doesn't get a mention.

Originally Posted by Sticks

This wretched drug smuggler has now lost a case to get our government to fund an appeal, which she can not afford


See here

This is excellent news as it means she will be unable to appeal and now will definitely be executed as an example to others

A triumph for justice, especially of those who are victims of drug fuelled crime

I fully agree. I love it when when people are murdered, and it's a damn shame there isn't more of it.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

I fully agree. I love it when when people are murdered, and it's a damn shame there isn't more of it.

I think they should televise it. Let's all sit around and watch this nasty woman get her comeuppance. Actually, ***** it, let's have a Bank Holiday to celebrate it as well. Get the party poppers out and throw a nationwide banquet. I'm sure Sky News will have a field day in covering the fun and frolics of this wonderful day.

[Slevin]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Very good point Redway,so much damage and destruction done by alcohol related crimes,and Yes this lady did wrong,but death? really is too extreme.

i agree. she deserves punishment but not death. cant believe someone is jumping for joy over this. f'ing disgusting.

[Apple202]

Sticks didn't you say you were a mod on a forum?

[Marcus.]

Originally Posted by Apple202

Sticks didn't you say you were a mod on a forum?

are they like

[Kizzy]

These are laws of another country, if you go there and break the law you have to suffer the consequenses.
No matter how severe, we all make choices in life...she made hers.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

These are laws of another country, if you go there and break the law you have to suffer the consequenses.
No matter how severe, we all make choices in life...she made hers.

Her decision was wrong and short-sighted, sure, but killing is inhumane and far more wrong than smuggling coke. Give her a prison sentence but I don't see the merit in murdering someone in cold blood over it. Doesn't that make you worse than her and the objective thus obliterated? I'd have thought that making choices in life wouldn't result in the end of it?

[Jack_]

Sandiford wept as judges handed down the sentence, covering her face with a scarf as she left the courtroom to return to prison. She earlier told the court she was forced into taking the drugs into the country by gangsters who were threatening to hurt one of her children, saying "the lives of my children were in danger".

In her witness statement earlier in the trial, Sandiford expressed regret for her actions. "I would like to begin by apologising to the Republic of Indonesia and the Indonesian people for my involvement. I would never have become involved in something like this but the lives of my children were in danger and I felt I had to protect them," she said.

During the trial, her lawyer read out a statement from her son that said: "I love my mother very much and have a very close relationship with her. I know that she would do anything to protect me. I cannot imagine what I would do if she was sentenced to death in relation to these charges."

Reprieve, a legal action charity, said Sandiford was a vulnerable target for drugs traffickers, pointing to an expert report from Dr Jennifer Fleetwood that was put before the court. Fleetwood concluded that Sandiford's vulnerability would have made her an ideal target for drugs traffickers, noting that: "There is … evidence to suggest that a trafficker would seek someone who was vulnerable. Having reviewed extracts from Lindsay's medical records I know that Lindsay has a history of mental health issues … This may have unfortunately made her an attractive target for threats, manipulation and coercion."

Harriet McCulloch, an investigator at Reprieve, said Sandiford maintained that she only agreed to carry the package to Bali after receiving threats against the lives of her family. "She is clearly not a drug kingpin – she has no money to pay for a lawyer, for the travel costs of defence witnesses or even for essentials like food and water," she said. "She has co-operated fully with the Indonesian authorities but has been sentenced to death while the gang operating in the UK, Thailand and Indonesia remain free to target other vulnerable people."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013...on-death-drugs

Vile. Totally vile. And people support this punishment?

[CharlieO]

If she didn't want it she shouldn't have smuggled drugs, simple.

[joeysteele]

She must have known the harsh penalties for smuggling drugs in that area. I do hope she does not have to be killed but I do think she has to serve a extremely long prison sentence and I also,sorry to say, don't see any reason why the Birtish Govt,in other words the British Taxpayer should fund her appeal either.

I am sure our Govt could though write and make an appeal for mercy for her and I still think that would likely be enough to at least get her death sentence revoked.