[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Josy

I'm so glad we have yet another thread to discuss this in, I was actually just thinking the tons we already have wasn't enough.

its bb, people have plenty to say after all bbots gave daley his right to reply and we want ours

[kefln]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

He said no but he said no, you're arousing me, that is encouragement and not a no because I'm not interested. Had he said No Hazel i have a g/f, she would have stopped, putting any blame on her for his behaviour is wrong. Are we saying that men just can't be held accountable if there's an attractive girl around? What? He's a big boy and he was not manipulated, he went from having a g/f to not having a g/f cos he wanted Hazel to think he didn't have one.

For some, its always the womans fault. Daley initiated the relationship. Daley lied about his relationship status. Daley was a walking erection everytime hazel came near him. Daley lost his temper more than once when it was pointed out that his behaviour was inappropriate for a man with a girlfriend.

But its hazels fault...got to remember that. A man is never responsible.

[Verbal]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

I forgive those those priests who habitually raped children, because they seem like nice guys and they're Christians.

I think you'll find they were Catholic

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

But I've said that myself sheriff"you wouldn't like me when I'm angry" I've no doubts it happens a lot more than we think,he needs anger management,what he did was totally wrong,BUT something doesn't sit right with all this,why on earth would anyone go back in the same room as him,let alone sleep with him,they are in the BB house not prison,I just think it's all so weird.

we dont know what was said in the diary room, i would say that she was in shock more than anything!

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by CynicalHermit

I think you'll find they were Catholic

Catholics are Christians last time I checked

[Josy]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

its bb, people have plenty to say after all bbots gave daley his right to reply and we want ours

Yeah I know people have plenty to say, doesn't mean everyone should make a new thread for every opinion they have.

[JTM45]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Catholics are Christians last time I checked

They are indeed!
Catholics are just like the really, really bad ones. The worst of a bad bunch!

[Raph]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

He said no but he said no, you're arousing me, that is encouragement and not a no because I'm not interested. Had he said No Hazel i have a g/f, she would have stopped, putting any blame on her for his behaviour is wrong. Are we saying that men just can't be held accountable if there's an attractive girl around? What? He's a big boy and he was not manipulated, he went from having a g/f to not having a g/f cos he wanted Hazel to think he didn't have one.

Yeah you make a really good point Niamh, which I hadn't really considered. That being said, what do you feel then about her pulling his pants down on live television, something that could've seriously damaged his career? Also, how do you feel about the girl code thing in regards to Hazel and Daley's girlfriend? I'm by no means saying Daley is a good guy, of course he's not in respect to what went down this past week, but surely you don't see Hazel simply as an innocent victim?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Barker

Yeah you make a really good point Niamh, which I hadn't really considered. That being said, what do you feel then about her pulling his pants down on live television, something that could've seriously damaged his career? Also, how do you feel about the girl code thing in regards to Hazel and Daley's girlfriend? I'm by no means saying Daley is a good guy, of course he's not in respect to what went down this past week, but surely you don't see Hazel simply as an innocent victim?

I think that her warning for that was justified and in line with similar incidents in past Series. As for the girls code? well, that's just a made up term. I think there are people both male and female that will go after guys/girls who are in relationships. Would I do it? No. Do I think it's an admirable quality in Hazel? Absolutely not but Daley and only Daley is the one who cheated on his g/f, there is no one else to blame for hurting his g/f but himself, he was the one, who by being her B/f made a commitment not to step over any lines like he did with Hazel

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Josy

Yeah I know people have plenty to say, doesn't mean everyone should make a new thread for every opinion they have.

maybe members feel the need to make their own thread rather than post in someone elses, after daley being on bbotts there are new things to debate.
after all i think this is as big as fight nite bb5.

[Fish_Fingers]

Originally Posted by Barker

Yeah you make a really good point Niamh, which I hadn't really considered. That being said, what do you feel then about her pulling his pants down on live television, something that could've seriously damaged his career? Also, how do you feel about the girl code thing in regards to Hazel and Daley's girlfriend? I'm by no means saying Daley is a good guy, of course he's not in respect to what went down this past week, but surely you don't see Hazel simply as an innocent victim?

If Daley had even half a brain cell between his ears he would have realized what she was up to and acted accordingly. However he lacked the necessary IQ to see the blindingly obvious until it was too late, and then he chose to respond with violence and aggression. He got played, pure and simple. But I don't feel one iota of sympathy for him. Man's supposed to be a man, an adult, but he's obviously not developed enough upstairs to act like one. He's responsible for that, nobody else.

[Raph]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I think that her warning for that was justified and in line with similar incidents in past Series. As for the girls code? well, that's just a made up term. I think there are people both male and female that will go after guys/girls who are in relationships. Would I do it? No. Do I think it's an admirable quality in Hazel? Absolutely not but Daley and only Daley is the one who cheated on his g/f, there is no one else to blame for hurting his g/f but himself, he was the one, who by being her B/f made a commitment not to step over any lines like he did with Hazel

Okay, that's all I was getting at really. Because I completely agree with you that Daley was completely disrespectful to his girlfriend, and then also to Hazel when he became aggressive. The only point I was trying to add was that Hazel wasn't some saint either. Let's face it, if Daley was with Rachel (bb9), Kathreya (bb9) or Hira (BB10) it wouldn't have happened, regardless of how attractive they are. Like Emma said, it takes two to tango.

[Raph]

Originally Posted by Fish_Fingers

If Daley had even half a brain cell between his ears he would have realized what she was up to and acted accordingly. However he lacked the necessary IQ to see the blindingly obvious until it was too late, and then he chose to respond with violence and aggression. He got played, pure and simple. But I don't feel one iota of sympathy for him. Man's supposed to be a man, an adult, but he's obviously not developed enough upstairs to act like one. He's responsible for that, nobody else.

Yeah I completely agree with this. He was unfortunately not clever enough to notice that he was getting played and as a result had to pay the consequences

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by kefln

Oh yes, perfectly nice chap.

He cheats on his girlfriend and ignores the fact that he has kids watching his actions on tv. Has control and alcohol issues. Underlining issues with women and a seriously dangerous violent streak that needs to be kept under wraps. And when confronted with said issues he either looses his temper, or blames his past, or his environment.

What a gem of a man.

you're not really saying what he did that was so wrong prior to this unfortunate incident that can be put down to too much alcohol!!

[arista]

Originally Posted by parmnion

cause im christian and he has apologised. it is clear to see that drink was to blame as there is no way he would have acted like that sober..so im blaming the drink and not dayley.

Hes a cool sound guy by the looks of it and would be a cool mate to have.

Yes the drink made it worse
but he was ejected
lucky to get a extra 11PM interview.



He choose to drink.

[GypsyGoth]

They is nothing to forgive, he has shown what type of man he is, that he can flip like that and become a really menacing person.

People know that about him now, and that's a good thing. Hopefully any of his future partners are well aware of how he can act when he thinks he's being challenged. And sadly there won't be security on hand ready to restrain him the next time.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Josy

Yeah I know people have plenty to say, doesn't mean everyone should make a new thread for every opinion they have.

But Ive fprgiven him, and it needs it's own thread, not because i'm christian but because i love myself too much.

[mr rochester]

Originally Posted by Fish_Fingers

If Daley had even half a brain cell between his ears he would have realized what she was up to and acted accordingly. However he lacked the necessary IQ to see the blindingly obvious until it was too late, and then he chose to respond with violence and aggression. He got played, pure and simple. But I don't feel one iota of sympathy for him. Man's supposed to be a man, an adult, but he's obviously not developed enough upstairs to act like one. He's responsible for that, nobody else.

Yes - he a clear example of arrested development. His reasons/excuses were pathetic...

I was hungry - erm...you can order food you don't have to cook - so why didn't you eat?

IF I have offended any women I am sorry...why aren't you sorry to everyone unequivocally without exception?

I can't even spend more than an hour with my brother - Oh well that's ok then - you crack on being abusive...

I can't sit around a meal table with other people - Look what happens when you don't eat...

I was drunk...Oh well - that's fine - you are totally excused...

I'd rather other people make their mind up about Hazel - Oh - so you can't even be bothered to give an opinion...or indeed an apology (and by the way an apology after an event like that will not make it OK.)

Intimating he had a difficult childhood without qualifying or giving examples...Yes - your development was clearly arrested - so are you saying anyone around you has to pay the price for that? Why have you not got help with all your problems? - Why wait until you are 34 and air them all on prime-time TV?

I didn't want to come on the programme - Well you should have stayed home then...

He is wearing his problems/issues like a medal of honour and seems to think that he is therefore excused acceptable behaviour because he is damaged.

The fall out has been spectacular...What vetting procedure? What risk assessments? What a mess...

[kefln]

Originally Posted by parmnion

you're not really saying what he did that was so wrong prior to this unfortunate incident that can be put down to too much alcohol!!

Actually he said that his actions on the night were down to alcohol. The rest of it, the cheating and the lying were his natural self

[kefln]

Originally Posted by mr rochester

Yes - he a clear example of arrested development. His reasons/excuses were pathetic...

I was hungry - erm...you can order food you don't have to cook - so why didn't you eat?

IF I have offended any women I am sorry...why aren't you sorry to everyone unequivocally without exception?

I can't even spend more than an hour with my brother - Oh well that's ok then - you crack on being abusive...

I can't sit around a meal table with other people - Look what happens when you don't eat...

I was drunk...Oh well - that's fine - you are totally excused...

I'd rather other people make their mind up about Hazel - Oh - so you can't even be bothered to give an opinion...or indeed an apology (and by the way an apology after an event like that will not make it OK.)

Intimating he had a difficult childhood without qualifying or giving examples...Yes - your development was clearly arrested - so are you saying anyone around you has to pay the price for that? Why have you not got help with all your problems? - Why wait until you are 34 and air them all on prime-time TV?

I didn't want to come on the programme - Well you should have stayed home then...

He is wearing his problems/issues like a medal of honour and seems to think that he is therefore excused acceptable behaviour because he is damaged.

The fall out has been spectacular...What vetting procedure? What risk assessments? What a mess...

Well said

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by kefln

Actually he said that his actions on the night were down to alcohol. The rest of it, the cheating and the lying were his natural self

Ok..so it's fine for you to take his girlfriends word on wether they were together or not, but not daleys when he says it was having difficulties..if you remember back to the first few nights, daley was actually going to leave because he didnt know what was happening on the gf front....

[Kyle]

I'm sure he'll sleep soundly tonight knowing you forgive him.

Personally i'm glad he was given the boot and this is from another man. You just cannot act like that, especially in front of millions of people. Alcohol is no excuse, sorry.

[RodHull]

Yes cause its a proven scientific fact that alcohol makes you change your basic moral code and behaviour.

Oh no hang on... it isnt at all

Drink just removes inhibitions it does not make nice guys into psychos...

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by RodHull

Yes cause its a proven scientific fact that alcohol makes you change your basic moral code and behaviour.

Oh no hang on... it isnt at all

Drink just removes inhibitions it does not make nice guys into psychos...

His behavior was questionable from the minute he went into that safe house, so unless he was drunk the whole time he was in there, he can't really blame drink

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Ok..so it's fine for you to take his girlfriends word on wether they were together or not, but not daleys when he says it was having difficulties..if you remember back to the first few nights, daley was actually going to leave because he didnt know what was happening on the gf front....

It's all well and good taking Daley's word for it, but which word? He changed his story several different times so he can't be trusted.