[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by alex_front2

that's the big problem with nick AND Sam , they are competant singers - in a West End way - but yes you need charisma for Candy, a good voice is not enough. Ithink Gary could have been bitchier but spared Nicholas' feelings imo

mm true enough, I like Sam and she has a great voice but I would never ever by an album of hers or choose to listen to that sort of thing

[Me. I Am Salman]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I like James Arthur.

okay

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by Salman!

they're not here to critique the guests Gary did nothing wrong. I'd rather the judges stay true to themselves

please be quiet, he stayed sat down on purpose cause he's a twat

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Niazareth

mm true enough, I like Sam and she has a great voice but I would never ever by an album of hers or choose to listen to that sort of thing

Likewise. I like indie/rock.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Likewise. I like indie/rock.

Same

[Z]

Dunno if it's because I didn't watch the show so I'm not sucked in by the pantomime this year or if I just see things differently to most of the responses in this thread, but I think it's completely fair enough to be annoyed that your mentor was openly supporting your rival in the final and that a supposed impartial judge was still criticising you for absolutely no reason in the final - Gary was criticising him for... not singing a ballad? How is that even a criticism? Why would you say that? Because you're trying to sabotage the guy to ensure he doesn't win. Perfectly fair enough for him and his mum to be annoyed at the behaviour of the judges - you also had Nicole Scherzinger duetting with the eventual winner, Sharon Osbourne's act. All four judges wanted Sam to win, the production team were doing their absolute best to ensure nobody else won. As always, another fix-within-the-rules result.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by The baby Zeesus

Dunno if it's because I didn't watch the show so I'm not sucked in by the pantomime this year or if I just see things differently to most of the responses in this thread, but I think it's completely fair enough to be annoyed that your mentor was openly supporting your rival in the final and that a supposed impartial judge was still criticising you for absolutely no reason in the final - Gary was criticising him for... not singing a ballad? How is that even a criticism? Why would you say that? Because you're trying to sabotage the guy to ensure he doesn't win. Perfectly fair enough for him and his mum to be annoyed at the behaviour of the judges - you also had Nicole Scherzinger duetting with the eventual winner, Sharon Osbourne's act. All four judges wanted Sam to win, the production team were doing their absolute best to ensure nobody else won. As always, another fix-within-the-rules result.

I guess when you put it like that you have a point although it isn't good really for him to vocalize it if he's hoping for any kind of a career out of this........the fact I think he's s**t and didn't deserve to be in the final probably is clouding my judgments, I'll admit

[Z]

Also it's well documented that Louis Walsh is a crap mentor in the music industry. If you want to succeed under Louis Walsh then you'd better be Irish, male and do everything to his standards and expectations. The list of people who have been dropped by Louis Walsh for not meeting his standards is ridiculous - he completely abandoned Girls Aloud after Popstars: The Rivals and they had to manage themselves completely in the beginning - they didn't become the smash success that they became because of him - he just took their profits and did nothing for them. He completely soured towards Ronan Keating when he stopped playing ball. The guy's a nasty piece of work.

[Me. I Am Salman]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

please be quiet, he stayed sat down on purpose cause he's a twat

No it's because he was terrible, I would have done the same
Stop stanning Nicky

[Jordan.]

You would because you're rude like Gary

[Apple202]

no one cares

[hannah2013]

I totally agree with everything Nicholas said they were treating that final like there was only one act in it but there wasnt. Nicholas isnt bitter by not winning he is just stating the truth and is very glas he came 2nd.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by hannah2013

I totally agree with everything Nicholas said they were treating that final like there was only one act in it but there wasnt. Nicholas isnt bitter by not winning he is just stating the truth and is very glas he came 2nd.

His voice is ok, but i don't like his attitude. Louis has done the same thing to Luke before, but he's not crying about it.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by alex_front2

It did not do Steve Brookstein* any harm. Oh


* if you don't know who SB is ask your nan (/ any Sam B fan)

Sam B will flop just as hard as Steve Brookstein lol.

And Nicholas while he owned Sam B in the final (which doesn't seem to be that hard) he also shouldn't have been anywhere near the final two either.

It has to be the worst final two in TXF history and we've had some bad final two's in the past.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by The Godinator

Sam B will flop just as hard as Steve Brookstein lol.

And Nicholas while he owned Sam B in the final (which doesn't seem to be that hard) he also shouldn't have been anywhere near the final two either.

It has to be the worst final two in TXF history and we've had some bad final two's in the past.

Her winner single is flopping already. Not surprised, it was the wrong song for her. Who even thought it was a good idea?

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Her winner single is flopping already. Not surprised, it was the wrong song for her. Who even thought it was a good idea?

Probably Louis Walsh.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by The Godinator

Probably Louis Walsh.

It's a Demi Lovato song. Not really suited for a 35 year old. It's a song that references bullying, self harming and depression. Not exactly cheery stuff.

[Z]

Originally Posted by Niazareth

mm true enough, I like Sam and she has a great voice but I would never ever by an album of hers or choose to listen to that sort of thing

This is the problem with the X Factor in a nutshell. It is a Saturday night entertainment show. People watch it for the camp performances, the judges and their comments, the weekly guests performing their new songs, the results show which usually stirs up a reaction on a weekly basis with some kind of shock result (someone going home/someone getting through)...

The X Factor also wants to be a talent search for the next big star who will sell lots of records, be a celebrity and sell lots of merchandise. They like to talk the talk (various bootcamps and auditions and jumping through hoops in order to get on the live shows) and then it all falls apart because the show is a glorified Butlins show broadcast to the nation. As a result of this total clash in interests, sometimes we have a series where there are some bona fide stars ready to be launched to the UK public - they aren't often the winners but sometimes they are (Leona Lewis, Alexandra Burke, Little Mix) - usually though they're one of the runners up (Olly Murs, One Direction, JLS, Cher Lloyd) and sometimes it produces acts who are somewhat credible, if not particularly successful (Matt Cardle, Rebecca Ferguson, perhaps James Arthur if he stops being a twat)... but these acts go through the same machine as the token joke entry (Jedward, Wagner, Chico etc) and rub shoulders with stage school no hopers (Joe McElderry, Rhydian, Ray Quinn) who might be flawless performers with many great attributes under their belt but absolutely no hope of selling records whatsoever.

That is the great problem with the X Factor. The show itself doesn't know what it wants to be, so the acts it produces every year vary wildly from proper, raring to go popstars to great karaoke singers. Sam Bailey, bless her, is a great karaoke singer. How are you supposed to market her to the public? Who is going to buy a Sam Bailey single or album, what is her sound going to be, what are her performances going to be like? How will she cope with the music industry? She's a great singer but is she an artist or capable of being one? I don't think she is, personally.

[Niamh.]

Great post Greg and I agree completely. For me personally Luke is probably the only one this year who I'd potentially listen to or buy............obviously depending on what kind of material he releases but just by going on what he did on the X Factor I like his voice and the style of music he's leaning towards

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Niazareth

Great post Greg and I agree completely. For me personally Luke is probably the only one this year who I'd potentially listen to or buy............obviously depending on what kind of material he releases but just by going on what he did on the X Factor I like his voice and the style of music he's leaning towards

He has an EP on itunes. It's really good. You can also listen to it on youtube. I love his style so much!

[sassysocks]

Originally Posted by alex_front2

Gary clearly never liked Nick but couldn't slate him for first month as he was singing in tune , just blandly. However once tptp gave him trickier songs and sabotaged production, Gary was able to stick boot in.

You do talk paranoid bull. Gary was quite supportive of Nicholas, when deserved -but critical when not - that is what a good judge is supposed to do. He was one of the few 'real' juges on the panel - hat off to him.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

It's a Demi Lovato song. Not really suited for a 35 year old. It's a song that references bullying, self harming and depression. Not exactly cheery stuff.

Plus the song is irritating.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by sassysocks

You do talk paranoid bull. Gary was quite supportive of Nicholas, when deserved -but critical when not - that is what a good judge is supposed to do. He was one of the few 'real' juges on the panel - hat off to him.

If Gary was so "real" then how come he never criticized Sam Bailey for shouting in the final when only a couple of years ago he attacked Amelia for shouting in the sing-off when she clearly didn't?

[sassysocks]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

please be quiet, he stayed sat down on purpose cause he's a twat

I'm sure Gary has a greater understanding of sticks, stones and twats. I bow to his superior knowledge.

[alex_front2]

If I had been a contestant like Nick and felt that Gary had harshly critiqued me, when Dermot asks if I have response to the criticism, I'd calmly remind everyone - especially Gary - that Mr Barlow was the guy who brought us Frankie Cocozza and said straight faced without a flicker of irony on live show 2 "Frankie, you've got a great voice". Sit back and watch the Barlow squirm.