[Livia]

Emma was clearly joking.

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Waynoo

i refuse to watch her sexist tripe any longer. Im a man and proud.

Do you realise how stupid you sound? You don't need to state that you're "proud" to be a man because men have never faced prejudice. Women have been denied the right to vote, banned from working as anything other than a housewife, killed for breaking up with people, and used as objects.

Guys have never had any of this stuff happen to them, which is why you honestly should not be offended. As a guy myself, I know I wasn't because the quote being discussed was taken out of context anyway. Even if it was a sexist comment, although I don't believe reverse-sexism is helpful or combats discrimination towards women, what men have gone through in life doesn't compare to what women have had to deal with throughout history and even to today.

So when you make out that you're offended, you literally need to grow up.

[jessicadanielle]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

Do you realise how stupid you sound? You don't need to state that you're "proud" to be a man because men have never faced prejudice. Women have been denied the right to vote, banned from working as anything other than a housewife, killed for breaking up with people, and used as objects.

Guys have never had any of this stuff happen to them, which is why you honestly should not be offended. As a guy myself, I know I wasn't because the quote being discussed was taken out of context anyway. Even if it was a sexist comment, although I don't believe reverse-sexism is helpful or combats discrimination towards women, what men have gone through in life doesn't compare to what women have had to deal with throughout history and even to today.

So when you make out that you're offended, you literally need to grow up.

really well said. Just what I wanted to say but was a little worried I'd be dismissed as a "man-hating feminist" (words that I have seen used on this forum before )

The irony is, some people in the world would respect your opinion on the subject more because you're male.

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by jessicadanielle

really well said. Just what I wanted to say but was a little worried I'd be dismissed as a "man-hating feminist" (words that I have seen used on this forum before )

The irony is, some people in the world would respect your opinion on the subject more because you're male.

I know. I read somewhere that male feminists are basically necessary for female rights, because some men just won't listen to women. It's a sad reality

[jessicadanielle]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

I know. I read somewhere that male feminists are basically necessary for female rights, because some men just won't listen to women. It's a sad reality

Yep really sad female feminists are just hysterical man-hating lesbians on their periods, but if a male feminist says it he must be talking some sense...

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by jessicadanielle

Yep really sad female feminists are just hysterical man-hating lesbians on their periods, but if a male feminist says it he must be talking some sense...

To be honest, it annoys me most when I hear girls moaning about feminism in my English class at school. It's a top set class as well.

[jessicadanielle]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

To be honest, it annoys me most when I hear girls moaning about feminism in my English class at school. It's a top set class as well.

Me too. Even at Uni I've met someone who said she didn't like feminism because "she believes men and women are equal" it's crazy how many people misunderstand what feminism is, partly due to its portrayal in the media I presume.

There was also that online thing recently, dunno if you saw it, girls holding up banners saying "I don't need feminism because...". Some were opinions that I respected but some were just insanely ignorant. I mean, it's great that they feel their life hasn't been affected by gender inequality, but they must be so close-minded not to understand that women across the world suffer at the hands of gender inequality.

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by jessicadanielle

Me too. Even at Uni I've met someone who said she didn't like feminism because "she believes men and women are equal" it's crazy how many people misunderstand what feminism is, partly due to its portrayal in the media I presume.

There was also that online thing recently, dunno if you saw it, girls holding up banners saying "I don't need feminism because...". Some were opinions that I respected but some were just insanely ignorant. I mean, it's great that they feel their life hasn't been affected by gender inequality, but they must be so close-minded not to understand that women across the world suffer at the hands of gender inequality.

Yeah. I think feminism needs a new name tbh, most misassociate it as female supremacy. Using 'Equal-genderism' as a term instead would probably clear a lot of it up.

[jessicadanielle]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

Yeah. I think feminism needs a new name tbh, most misassociate it as female supremacy. Using 'Equal-genderism' as a term instead would probably clear a lot of it up.

Definitely. I often feel really uncomfortable calling myself a feminist/talking about feminism as I know it gives people a bad vibe.

I will be an equal-genderist from now on

[Lstan]

'ere we go...

[jessicadanielle]

Originally Posted by Lstan

'ere we go...

What? Our desire for gender equality offends you?

[the truth]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

Do you realise how stupid you sound? You don't need to state that you're "proud" to be a man because men have never faced prejudice. Women have been denied the right to vote, banned from working as anything other than a housewife, killed for breaking up with people, and used as objects.

Guys have never had any of this stuff happen to them, which is why you honestly should not be offended. As a guy myself, I know I wasn't because the quote being discussed was taken out of context anyway. Even if it was a sexist comment, although I don't believe reverse-sexism is helpful or combats discrimination towards women, what men have gone through in life doesn't compare to what women have had to deal with throughout history and even to today.

So when you make out that you're offended, you literally need to grow up.

whata load of lies. men have always faced prejudices. short men, black men, chinese men, disabled men, divorced men, communist men, african men, indian men, poor men, bline men, deaf men, ill men, old men, men on tv, men kill themselbes at 5 times the rate of women, get get falsely accused more than women, men lose 90% of divorce cases, men are banned from running for election in many places, men get forced to to and fight and die in wars worldwide, the average age of men killed in vietnam was 19, 95% of the people killed in world war 1 and 2 were men, men run into buring buildings 100% of the time...men have billions less spent on male charities, male health, male support agencies than women. men are banned from working with young females in many jobs, men lose their homes in 80% of divorces, men have no rights over whether their own child is aborted/killed, men die 5 years younger than women across the world....men lose their homes, the kids, their wives and half their income in 80% of divorces.

men are far far far more discriminated gaainst than women in western society

[the truth]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

I know. I read somewhere that male feminists are basically necessary for female rights, because some men just won't listen to women. It's a sad reality

wrong . you dont listen to men. any time a man has an opinion hes called a sexist mysogynist , which is utter sexist drivel in itself. men are far more discriminated against than women in western society

[Robodog]

Originally Posted by jessicadanielle

Clearly the OP is not able to laugh comments like this off. Eurgh, such a woman eh?

[Gerbil901]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

Do you realise how stupid you sound? You don't need to state that you're "proud" to be a man because men have never faced prejudice. Women have been denied the right to vote, banned from working as anything other than a housewife, killed for breaking up with people, and used as objects.

Guys have never had any of this stuff happen to them, which is why you honestly should not be offended. As a guy myself, I know I wasn't because the quote being discussed was taken out of context anyway. Even if it was a sexist comment, although I don't believe reverse-sexism is helpful or combats discrimination towards women, what men have gone through in life doesn't compare to what women have had to deal with throughout history and even to today.

So when you make out that you're offended, you literally need to grow up.

Personally the majority of women I know have a much easier life than men. I just like to break it down to men and women have crap that they have to deal with on a regular basis. I guess maybe I am sexist since I don't really have any sympathy for women from more Western societies (UK, US, Canada, etc) who claim that they are still being oppressed. I am aware that in some countries women don't have any rights. I also didn't think Emma's comment was really that much of a big deal. But I do agree that if Emma was a man and made those comments the other way around some people would've been up in arms.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by the truth

whata load of lies. men have always faced prejudices. short men, black men, chinese men, disabled men, divorced men, communist men, african men, indian men, poor men, bline men, deaf men, ill men, old men, men on tv, men kill themselbes at 5 times the rate of women, get get falsely accused more than women, men lose 90% of divorce cases, men are banned from running for election in many places, men get forced to to and fight and die in wars worldwide, the average age of men killed in vietnam was 19, 95% of the people killed in world war 1 and 2 were men, men run into buring buildings 100% of the time...men have billions less spent on male charities, male health, male support agencies than women. men are banned from working with young females in many jobs, men lose their homes in 80% of divorces, men have no rights over whether their own child is aborted/killed, men die 5 years younger than women across the world....men lose their homes, the kids, their wives and half their income in 80% of divorces.

men are far far far more discriminated gaainst than women in western society

I would love to see all the sources of these 'facts' just so i can understand where you your information from
The majority of what you just said is a load of made up numbers and statistics and overly emotional slander at best

The parts that are in bold, i'll break them down into bulletpoints for a much simpler read, in the order that they are highlighted;
. Is there any real evidence to support this at all? If there is then, i apologise.
. Women are also banned from becoming vicars in a lot of places all over the world, so it's an even playing field there.
. So every time a building is on fire, there's a man running into it out of his own free will?.. we're not counting firefighters because women can be those too, which you didn't quite mention.
. No-one can help what age they die at, so to say men are discriminated against because we have an average life rate below women is preposterous and completely laughable
. If a married couple gets divorced, then they are both entitled to half of everything, legally, that is part of the marriage agreement, unless a prenuptial agreement is signed beforehand, i don't quite see how men lose their kids either tbh.. but i'll let you have than one.

[Gerbil901]

Originally Posted by LiamPRW

I would love to see all the sources of these 'facts' just so i can understand where you your information from
The majority of what you just said is a load of made up numbers and statistics and overly emotional slander at best

The parts that are in bold, i'll break them down into bulletpoints for a much simpler read, in the order that they are highlighted;
. Is there any real evidence to support this at all? If there is then, i apologise.
. Women are also banned from becoming vicars in a lot of places all over the world, so it's an even playing field there.
. So every time a building is on fire, there's a man running into it out of his own free will?.. we're not counting firefighters because women can be those too, which you didn't quite mention.
. No-one can help what age they die at, so to say men are discriminated against because we have an average life rate below women is preposterous and completely laughable
. If a married couple gets divorced, then they are both entitled to half of everything, legally, that is part of the marriage agreement, unless a prenuptial agreement is signed beforehand, i don't quite see how men lose their kids either tbh.. but i'll let you have than one.

I can't speak for all men but one of my issues with some female activists I've met is that I sometimes feel as if they are trying to make me feel ashamed of the fact that I'm a male. That's just me. I guess I just don't feel like women from "Western" societies aren't oppressed like women of other societies. Yet some act like they are going thru the same thing. Just my 2 cents though.

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by the truth

whata load of lies. men have always faced prejudices. short men, black men, chinese men, disabled men, divorced men, communist men, african men, indian men, poor men, bline men, deaf men, ill men, old men, men on tv, men kill themselbes at 5 times the rate of women, get get falsely accused more than women, men lose 90% of divorce cases, men are banned from running for election in many places, men get forced to to and fight and die in wars worldwide, the average age of men killed in vietnam was 19, 95% of the people killed in world war 1 and 2 were men, men run into buring buildings 100% of the time...men have billions less spent on male charities, male health, male support agencies than women. men are banned from working with young females in many jobs, men lose their homes in 80% of divorces, men have no rights over whether their own child is aborted/killed, men die 5 years younger than women across the world....men lose their homes, the kids, their wives and half their income in 80% of divorces.

men are far far far more discriminated gaainst than women in western society

You are sooooo deluded. You can't just add a minority tag to "men" and say that men are prejudiced against. The prejudice those specific people are subjected to is not due to them being a man, but because of the specific minority (eg. disabled, communist). Does that make it right? Absolutely not! But please, men are not discriminated against. This is coming from a guy.

[rionablue]

Oh my God everyone is going off topic. The thread was about Emma wasn't it ?

[delta]

Originally Posted by jessicadanielle

Me too. Even at Uni I've met someone who said she didn't like feminism because "she believes men and women are equal" it's crazy how many people misunderstand what feminism is, partly due to its portrayal in the media I presume.

There was also that online thing recently, dunno if you saw it, girls holding up banners saying "I don't need feminism because...". Some were opinions that I respected but some were just insanely ignorant. I mean, it's great that they feel their life hasn't been affected by gender inequality, but they must be so close-minded not to understand that women across the world suffer at the hands of gender inequality.

Women shoot themselves in the foot { as a whole- a group} they just don't get on with each other. So while one faction are trying to improve the rights for women there's another lot deriding them.


I guess they are just wired that way- you only have to see the friction in the BB house most of the enmity is from female to female.

[delta]

Originally Posted by rionablue

Oh my God everyone is going off topic. The thread was about Emma wasn't it ?

Okay, there's things that I like about her and things that annoy me about her.


As for the comment she made- FFS it was a throw away comment in this PC mad world we live in- a joke Ha-ha. Titter ye not.


On the whole though she does a good job and is a bright and breezy presenter.


Just wish she would accept that there are different points of view other than her own. {or BB's or CBB}

[Tip]

Originally Posted by delta

Women shoot themselves in the foot { as a whole- a group} they just don't get on with each other. So while one faction are trying to improve the rights for women there's another lot deriding them.


I guess they are just wired that way- you only have to see the friction in the BB house most of the enmity is from female to female.

Funny, I'm seeing a lot of friction between males in this house and between females and males - and not so much between females and females?

[Tip]

Anyway, yes, Emma made a throwaway joke.

However, we do know that humour has changed over the years and some changes are due to political correctness so it's probably not surprising that someone somewhere will have something to say about some jokes in the ongoing battle for fair treatment for all.

[jessicadanielle]

Originally Posted by delta

Women shoot themselves in the foot { as a whole- a group} they just don't get on with each other. So while one faction are trying to improve the rights for women there's another lot deriding them.


I guess they are just wired that way- you only have to see the friction in the BB house most of the enmity is from female to female.

Firstly, I am a girl and get on with girls just fine.

Secondly, some girls not getting on with some girls should have no effect on women's rights so I don't know what point you're making.

Thirdly, BB is a competition where the producers selectively pick housemates who they believe will be entertaining - this often means confrontational people. Therefore, I don't think looking at friction in BB is a very good representation of "how women are wired". I'm not sure if you can say most enmity on BB is between girls anyway - the current BB is the opposite.