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20-02-2015, 02:55 PM | #26 | |||
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look LT trying to make excuses for the dogs lol, animals are as vicious as humans, they just do it at a more basic level to humans
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20-02-2015, 02:56 PM | #27 | |||
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Yes I love my cat too but believe me he does kill for fun
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20-02-2015, 03:00 PM | #28 | |||
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I'm an idiot - I forgot all the times my cat stalked birds and came in from outdoors with one in his mouth. Ditto field mice. I must be getting Alzheimer's.
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20-02-2015, 03:00 PM | #29 | |||
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20-02-2015, 03:01 PM | #30 | |||
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Well Niamhs given a few examples: cats like to see killing things as like a game, a lot of animals will fight over mates, dogs can attack other dogs just to beat them. The animal world can be very brutal with animals killing each other just for the sake of it, there's no way we can see their interactions with each other as more civilised and harmonious than humans imo
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20-02-2015, 03:01 PM | #31 | |||
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20-02-2015, 03:02 PM | #32 | |||
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20-02-2015, 03:04 PM | #33 | |||
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For the people who claim to value animals over humans, here's a little scenario for you all Your wife/husband/mother/father is trapped in a burning building along with a dog, the firefighters go in and save the dog, they don't have time to save your wife/husband/mother/father so they die. You're perfectly understanding when they tell you that "sorry we could only save one and we chose the dog" ?
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20-02-2015, 03:07 PM | #34 | |||
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20-02-2015, 03:08 PM | #35 | |||
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20-02-2015, 03:10 PM | #36 | |||
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This exchange with you and Niamh should be on the Comedy Chanel'
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20-02-2015, 03:17 PM | #37 | |||
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Adriana HeguyAdriana Heguy, biologist The problem here is: how do we know that an animals kills for fun? How do we know the animal is feeling "fun"? We can try to have an educated guess for an animal's motivation for killing, but we cannot know for sure. We can say that an animal may not have killed another for food, if it's for example a herbivore, like a moose or deer or an elephant, attacking and killing someone. Or if it a carnivore who kills an animal but does not eat it. But even when the kill is not for food, how do we know the motivation was to have fun? In the case of cats, many do actually eat the prey, at least in part. It is possible that they enjoy the hunt or the chase, as dogs like to chase skateboarders or squirrels. It's part of the prey drive, part of the instinct that makes them hunters, because carnivores that did not evolve to be good hunters, are not around anymore. In the case of herbivores, in many cases the animals will attack and kill before they have been abused (like circus elephants) or because they are defending territory or the herd (like a water buffalo). Even chimps when they hunt, they consume the meat of the critters they hunt. I think it is hard to find in non-human animals, an exact parallel with humans who hunt (or fish) exclusively for sport, with no need to defend a territory, no intention of eating the meat or using the hide or other parts for a practical purpose, other than boasting or display. http://www.quora.com/Which-organisms...s-kill-for-fun |
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20-02-2015, 03:19 PM | #38 | |||
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My cat kills flies and spiders, he doesn't eat them afterwards
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20-02-2015, 03:19 PM | #39 | |||
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Can animals be as dangerous as humans? Absolutely. Evil is another matter, however. |
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20-02-2015, 03:20 PM | #40 | |||
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20-02-2015, 03:22 PM | #41 | |||
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I used the phrase "I don't think" twice. I never stated anything as a clad-iron fact. We don't know either way for sure, do we? However, I'm strongly of the belief (again, it's merely a belief) that animals can't be evil in the same way humans can.
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20-02-2015, 03:24 PM | #42 | |||
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20-02-2015, 03:25 PM | #43 | |||
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20-02-2015, 03:25 PM | #44 | |||
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We're all just a variety of living beings ultimately, none more worthy than another
We just put ourselves first which I think is natural. For the vast majority at least, we as humans want to live and live well, and consensually and conveniently put our morality regarding animal life to one side for our food wants and needs. You've seen with fashion that the consesus is changing and we're viewing animal life more valuable than clothing for the most part. I think with food though we'll continue to ignore the countless death toll we're causing for certain animals even when for a lot of us it's really not necessary anymore. Basically, we're unnecessarily evil but are more than happy to ignore it for convenience. I'm guilty as much as anybody. |
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20-02-2015, 03:26 PM | #45 | |||
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20-02-2015, 03:27 PM | #46 | |||
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20-02-2015, 03:27 PM | #47 | |||
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It depends on the human life in question.
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20-02-2015, 03:30 PM | #48 | ||
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Dogs have killed kids and children, cows kill people every year, snakes and spiders kill people, humans kill animals and each other.
A human life should be worth more than an animal but some people, ie rapist, child killers and murderers, their life's are worth a lot less than an animal. |
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20-02-2015, 03:30 PM | #49 | |||
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Of course, I think everything you just described can be applied to many animals, too. |
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20-02-2015, 03:30 PM | #50 | |||
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