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You are confusing the facts though;

Jesus was a Jew - his followers were initially Jews, then as Christianity spread, his followers included non-Jews who still followed a Jew, and his pacifist teachings, and his Judaic beliefs, and the New Testament - which is specifically all about Christ - contains no violence nor any incitement to hatred or violence to others, so how can Christ's teachings logically be the precursor to Antisemitism?

I mean; why would a Jew be Antisemitic ie; against himself?
Who's confusing the facts?
All I said was according to the new testament teachings of Matthew he didn't care for Pharisees and Sadducees, that's a fact.
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Who's confusing the facts?
All I said was according to the new testament teachings of Matthew he didn't care for Pharisees and Sadducees, that's a fact.
What a roundabout!!!!

Yes, it may be a fact but now we're back where we started:

YOU SAI "He didn't care for the Pharisees and Sadducees much."

TO WHICH I REPLIE "Not caring for and slaughtering and beheading are poles apart."

:TO WHICH YOU SAID "Who's to say this wasn't the precursor to anti-semetism?

TO WHICH I REPLIE "You are confusing the facts though; Jesus was a Jew - his followers were initially Jews, then as Christianity spread, his followers included non-Jews who still followed a Jew, and his pacifist teachings, and his Judaic beliefs, and the New Testament - which is specifically all about Christ - contains no violence nor any incitement to hatred or violence to others, so how can Christ's teachings logically be the precursor to Antisemitism? I mean; why would a Jew be Antisemitic ie; against himself?"

TO WHICH YOU REPLIE "Who's confusing the facts? All I said was according to the new testament teachings of Matthew he didn't care for Pharisees and Sadducees, that's a fact",


So from saying that Jesus's alleged dislike of Pharisees and Saducees could be a precursor to Antisemitism, we are now claiming that you only said he disliked Pharisees and Saducees .

It's simply not true though, is it?
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What a roundabout!!!!

Yes, it may be a fact but now we're back where we started:

YOU SAI "He didn't care for the Pharisees and Sadducees much."

TO WHICH I REPLIE "Not caring for and slaughtering and beheading are poles apart."

:TO WHICH YOU SAID "Who's to say this wasn't the precursor to anti-semetism?

TO WHICH I REPLIE "You are confusing the facts though; Jesus was a Jew - his followers were initially Jews, then as Christianity spread, his followers included non-Jews who still followed a Jew, and his pacifist teachings, and his Judaic beliefs, and the New Testament - which is specifically all about Christ - contains no violence nor any incitement to hatred or violence to others, so how can Christ's teachings logically be the precursor to Antisemitism? I mean; why would a Jew be Antisemitic ie; against himself?"

TO WHICH YOU REPLIE "Who's confusing the facts? All I said was according to the new testament teachings of Matthew he didn't care for Pharisees and Sadducees, that's a fact",


So from saying that Jesus's alleged dislike of Pharisees and Saducees could be a precursor to Antisemitism, we are now claiming that you only said he disliked Pharisees and Saducees .

It's simply not true though, is it?
Without the histrionics can you explain why not?
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What a joker... there have been Muslims living in the UK for years and all of a sudden they are all an immediate threat?

So if every one of them takes their holy book so literally then by this logic everyone who follows the old testament must too?
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Without the histrionics can you explain why not?
No - It's been fully explained with a chronological record of "why not" - which as usual - you are choosing to ignore so you can state the same old question which just takes around in another circle. Anyone reading these posts can immediately see the truth of what I say.
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What a joker... there have been Muslims living in the UK for years and all of a sudden they are all an immediate threat?

So if every one of them takes their holy book so literally then by this logic everyone who follows the old testament must too?
I'm sure Pat would be happy to answer all your questions Kizzy
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What a joker... there have been Muslims living in the UK for years and all of a sudden they are all an immediate threat?

So if every one of them takes their holy book so literally then by this logic everyone who follows the old testament must too?



More circular argument and repeated fallacy - even though I myself have answered this factually and at great length. I mean for God's sake - yes God - there's even an excerpt a few posts up on this very thread which answers it.

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I watched for about 30 seconds before my constant eye rolling started to cause me pain.
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Erm.... Good for you?
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More circular argument and repeated fallacy - even though I myself have answered this factually and at great length. I mean for God's sake - yes God - there's even an excerpt a few posts up on this very thread which answers it.
Repeated fallacy, what has been said by myself that is false?

Where were the facts you posted... all I saw was your interpretation,
this 'truth' and 'fact' is nothing but your opinion.
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I have to say... the theory about Jesus being the root of anti-Semitism is quite the silliest, most far-fetched theory I've read on Serious Debates for a long, looong time.

Anyway, wasn't this thread about ISIL beheading Christians?

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Repeated fallacy, what has been said by myself that is false?

Where were the facts you posted... all I saw was your interpretation,
this 'truth' and 'fact' is nothing but your opinion.
Try reading through this thread.

I state facts otherwise I put "In my opinion" Bye.
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I have to say... the theory about Jesus being the root of anti-Semitism is quite the silliest, most far-fetched theory I've read on Serious Debates for a long, looong time.

Anyway, wasn't this thread about ISIL beheading Christians?
That is NOT what I said Livia please don't start misquoting me.
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I have to say... the theory about Jesus being the root of anti-Semitism is quite the silliest, most far-fetched theory I've read on Serious Debates for a long, looong time.

Anyway, wasn't this thread about ISIL beheading Christians?
Yes, until it got diverted as usual into the usual Christianity is no better than Islam crap.
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Try reading through this thread.

I state facts otherwise I put "In my opinion" Bye.
You never link to anything reputable and 99% of your opinion is subjective.
I do find your smileys funny though, definitely keep those.
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Yes, until it got diverted as usual into the usual Christianity is no better than Islam crap.
Who said this?...
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That is NOT what I said Livia please don't start misquoting me.
Yes it is what you said. And here - again - is the chronological proof that you did:

What a roundabout!!!!

Yes, it may be a fact but now we're back where we started:

YOU SAI "He didn't care for the Pharisees and Sadducees much."

TO WHICH I REPLIE "Not caring for and slaughtering and beheading are poles apart."

:TO WHICH YOU SAID "Who's to say this wasn't the precursor to anti-semetism?

TO WHICH I REPLIE "You are confusing the facts though; Jesus was a Jew - his followers were initially Jews, then as Christianity spread, his followers included non-Jews who still followed a Jew, and his pacifist teachings, and his Judaic beliefs, and the New Testament - which is specifically all about Christ - contains no violence nor any incitement to hatred or violence to others, so how can Christ's teachings logically be the precursor to Antisemitism? I mean; why would a Jew be Antisemitic ie; against himself?"

TO WHICH YOU REPLIE "Who's confusing the facts? All I said was according to the new testament teachings of Matthew he didn't care for Pharisees and Sadducees, that's a fact",

So from saying that Jesus's alleged dislike of Pharisees and Saducees could be a precursor to Antisemitism, we are now claiming that you only said he disliked Pharisees and Saducees .

It's simply not true though, is it?

See - You did say it.
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That is NOT what I said Livia please don't start misquoting me.
No?
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No?
No...

You said 'the root' I said 'the precursor'

It's very different.
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Yes it is what you said. And here - again - is the chronological proof that you did:

What a roundabout!!!!

Yes, it may be a fact but now we're back where we started:

YOU SAI "He didn't care for the Pharisees and Sadducees much."

TO WHICH I REPLIE "Not caring for and slaughtering and beheading are poles apart."

:TO WHICH YOU SAID "Who's to say this wasn't the precursor to anti-semetism?

TO WHICH I REPLIE "You are confusing the facts though; Jesus was a Jew - his followers were initially Jews, then as Christianity spread, his followers included non-Jews who still followed a Jew, and his pacifist teachings, and his Judaic beliefs, and the New Testament - which is specifically all about Christ - contains no violence nor any incitement to hatred or violence to others, so how can Christ's teachings logically be the precursor to Antisemitism? I mean; why would a Jew be Antisemitic ie; against himself?"

TO WHICH YOU REPLIE "Who's confusing the facts? All I said was according to the new testament teachings of Matthew he didn't care for Pharisees and Sadducees, that's a fact",

So from saying that Jesus's alleged dislike of Pharisees and Saducees could be a precursor to Antisemitism, we are now claiming that you only said he disliked Pharisees and Saducees .

It's simply not true though, is it?

See - You did say it.
I don't see anything but smileys here....
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No...

You said 'the root' I said 'the precursor'

It's very different.
LOL... right.

Still the silliest comment I've read for a long time.
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