[Jack_]

Originally Posted by MB.

It isn't in their manifesto, because UKIP are the only political party not to mention LGBT rights in their manifesto.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by MB.

It isn't in their manifesto, because UKIP are the only political party not to mention LGBT rights in their manifesto.

Just as they are the ONLY political party to have a fully costed sound and legitimate Manifesto.

[Rob!]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Where in the manifesto?

It's the fact that the were the ONLY party to leave anything about LGBT rights out of their manifesto.

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I dont work for ukip

#reaching

You should, you'd be excellent.

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Like every other party Rob, UKIP are far from perfect, but with me it's a case of the Pro's FAR outweighing any CONS.

In my opinion, the EU and our 'Open Door' immigration policy are THE two issues which are of the gravest, most urgent concern for this country's future survival, and Farage is THE only politician who is genuine, honest and passionate about addressing them both - the other leaders are paying lip service or have policies which are in opposition to my own views.

As LT says; there is NOTHING in the UKIP Manifesto to alarm anyone, and if the day ever came when Farage held power directly or the balance of power in a coalition, and adverse policies DID start to be proposed or implemented, then ALL of us have the vote to remove him.

The other (Big) two party leaders are PROVEN liars whereas Farage is merely the victim of propaganda.

I'll give him a chance.

I don't understand how anybody can actually take a long hard look at what UKIP want to achieve and not consider it as worrying. Their views ARE bigoted. Do you honestly believe that the most terrible thing going on in this country is that people are coming over here from different countries for work? You are aware of what is actually happening in a lot of these countries? The reasons they want to escape? Their motives aren't as sinister as you'd like to believe.
These "bloody foreigners" are taking the jobs that the British don't want. Factory work, land work - things that a lot of Brits see as beneath them. How the hell the UK can be so terrified of political correctness and not offending anybody when UKIP is a serious contender for government is beguiling to say the least.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Lol so they are homophobic for something not in their manifesto?

Brilliant

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Rob!

It's the fact that the were the ONLY party to leave anything about LGBT rights out of their manifesto.



You should, you'd be excellent.



I don't understand how anybody can actually take a long hard look at what UKIP want to achieve and not consider it as worrying. Their views ARE bigoted. Do you honestly believe that the most terrible thing going on in this country is that people are coming over here from different countries for work? You are aware of what is actually happening in a lot of these countries? The reasons they want to escape? Their motives aren't as sinister as you'd like to believe.
These "bloody foreigners" are taking the jobs that the British don't want. Factory work, land work - things that a lot of Brits see as beneath them. How the hell the UK can be so terrified of political correctness and not offending anybody when UKIP is a serious contender for government is beguiling to say the least.

The issues are far, far, more complex and deeper than that Rob, but 'each to their own' and as always I respect your right to your view.

[Rob!]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Lol so they are homophobic for something not in their manifesto?

Brilliant

So you believe that homosexuality is a special interest group? Like caravanners?

[MB.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Lol so they are homophobic for something not in their manifesto?

Brilliant

UKIP candiate John Lyndon Sullivan said that "poofters" should be shot
John Kearney said that gay people are "prisoners who need freedom"
UKIP donor Demetri Marchessin says that gay people are incapable of fidelity
Iain McLaughlin says it was a tragedy that Section 28 was repealed
UKIP MEP Roger Helmer says it's ok to be homophobic if you're over 70, and that being gay's "abnormal and undesirable"
Julia Gasper says gay people should be sectioned under the Mental Health Act
David Silvester says gay marriage causes floods
Sam Fletcher is "baffled by the acceptance of homosexuality"

Just a few.

[Kizzy]

Labour.

[Rob!]

Originally Posted by MB.

UKIP candiate John Lyndon Sullivan said that "poofters" should be shot
John Kearney said that gay people are "prisoners who need freedom"
UKIP donor Demetri Marchessin says that gay people are incapable of fidelity
Iain McLaughlin says it was a tragedy that Section 28 was repealed
UKIP MEP Roger Helmer says it's ok to be homophobic if you're over 70, and that being gay's "abnormal and undesirable"
Julia Gasper says gay people should be sectioned under the Mental Health Act
David Silvester says gay marriage causes floods
Sam Fletcher is "baffled by the acceptance of homosexuality"

Just a few.

Oh and the added fact that all of these people still are in power.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by MB.

UKIP candiate John Lyndon Sullivan said that "poofters" should be shot
John Kearney said that gay people are "prisoners who need freedom"
UKIP donor Demetri Marchessin says that gay people are incapable of fidelity
Iain McLaughlin says it was a tragedy that Section 28 was repealed
UKIP MEP Roger Helmer says it's ok to be homophobic if you're over 70, and that being gay's "abnormal and undesirable"
Julia Gasper says gay people should be sectioned under the Mental Health Act
David Silvester says gay marriage causes floods
Sam Fletcher is "baffled by the acceptance of homosexuality"

Just a few.

Thats great but where is this in the manifesto?

Every large party has eejits if u care to look

[Rob!]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Thats great but where is this in the manifesto?

Every large party has eejits if u care to look

So does this forum apparently. You've just been told twice that LGBT rights aren't mentioned in their manifesto.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Rob!

So does this forum apparently.

That must be the ones hurling false accusations and failing miserably to back them up?

You could be right

[Rob!]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

That must be the ones hurling false accusations and failing miserably to back them up?

You could be right

False accusations? Such as?

[MB.]

If posting a (not even comprehensive) list of some of the homophobic things UKIP candidates have said over the past couple of years isn't proof of anything then god help us all.

[Jake.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..there ain't no party like an S Club party and if there were, I would vote for them... gettin' down tonight...

[MB.]

(and before anyone points out that UKIP have got a gay MEP - yes, they do. Who's a massive racist and opposes same-sex marriage)

[Rob!]

Oh and I'll just leave this here.

[img] http://i.imgur.com/pSqK70Al.jpg [/img]

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Rob!

False accusations? Such as?

What like homophobic and racist?

said you

but funnily enough you dont seem to have found anything in their stated manifesto that supports that


not like you have read it anyway

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Rob!

Oh and I'll just leave this here.

[img] http://i.imgur.com/pSqK70Al.jpg [/img]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-services.html

and i will leave this from march 2014

[MB.]

Yes, it can't possibly be a homophobic party if it was calling for same sex marriages to be banned as one of its policies just a year ago.

[LeatherTrumpet]

oh and I have noticed that no party has mentioned anything about Gingers or short people


smh

what is the world coming to?

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by MB.

Yes, it can't possibly be a homophobic party if it was calling for same sex marriages to be banned as one of its policies just a year ago.

that is right, you cant

[MTVN]

Think the thing with Ukip is that their policies themselves aren't actually racist or that prejudiced and I don't think Farage is either. He generally seems the libertarian type who really doesn't give a toss about peoples race, sexuality etc. The problem is that up until very recently they were just part of the irrelevant right wing loony fringe. Look at their manifesto in 2010 and its a load of nonsense, even Farage admits it was 'drivel'. But because that's the sort of party Ukip were for so long they attracted a lot of dodgy characters and they weren't too bothered about how questionable their supporters were because nobody cared about Ukip at that stage. But now that means the ones who are highest up in the party are those who naturally have been there the longest and were attracted to the Ukip of pre-2010, and they're a big embarrassment to Farage. It's why for all the talk about Ukip being 'anti-establishment' and 'something different' they've had to moderate themselves massively and move closer to the political centre in order to have any legitimacy.

[billy123]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

when will Britain First?

When hell freezes over.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Think the thing with Ukip is that their policies themselves aren't actually racist or that prejudiced and I don't think Farage is either. He generally seems the libertarian type who really doesn't give a toss about peoples race, sexuality etc. The problem is that up until very recently they were just part of the irrelevant right wing loony fringe. Look at their manifesto in 2010 and its a load of nonsense, even Farage admits it was 'drivel'. But because that's the sort of party Ukip were for so long they attracted a lot of dodgy characters and they weren't too bothered about how questionable their supporters were because nobody cared about Ukip at that stage. But now that means the ones who are highest up in the party are those who naturally have been there the longest and were attracted to the Ukip of pre-2010, and they're a big embarrassment to Farage. It's why for all the talk about Ukip being 'anti-establishment' and 'something different' they've had to moderate themselves massively and move closer to the political centre in order to have any legitimacy.

also a lot of Ukip supporters grew up with things like homosexuality being a criminal offence.