[letmein]

Now arista is left-wing.

[reece(:]

I agree with Chukka as a good potential.

[MTVN]

They need to embrace a Blue Labour outlook and the best of Blair, Chuka is the man for that. Burnham would carry them too far left.

[Northern Monkey]

Andy Burnham or Chukka would both be excellent choices imo.

[arista]

Mr C. Umunna MP with girlfriend Alice Sullivan

bloodbath begins

Union-Labour Vs Blairites

[empire]

even if labour won the election, their is no way that they would go back to the days of over spending, and they would have done the same cuts as the tory's, this is what people won't admit to,

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by empire

even if labour won the election, their is no way that they would go back to the days of over spending, and they would have done the same cuts as the tory's, this is what people won't admit to,

No they wouldn't, they never would have even looked at disability benefits or carers allowances.
They were going to avoid welfare cuts by removing winter fuel payments and cold weather payments from the wealthier pensioners.

Their cuts programme was no way the same as the Conservatives,as the IFS pointed out too, their proposals involved far less cuts overall because they were aiming to bring down the deficit slower.

Whatever welfare cuts are made by this govt; as to the sick, disabled and unemployed,none at all would have been done by Labour,'none'.

[Daniel-X]

It's going to be Andy Burnham so they might as well get it over and done with!

[reece(:]

Is Harriet Harmon stepping down?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by reece(:

Is Harriet Harmon stepping down?

She is running things now but once the election process is set up she is standing down as Deputy Leader I believe,
So 2 new people take over the top 2 positions.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by LuciaX

It's going to be Andy Burnham so they might as well get it over and done with!

I really like Andy Burnham but I don't think they will, he only got 4th last time and really I think they will go for someone who had little or no connection as MPs as to the previous Labour govt:

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I really like Andy Burnham but I don't think they will, he only got 4th last time and really I think they will go for someone who had little or no connection as MPs as to the previous Labour govt:

He's the only one left standing of the people who finished ahead of him though. You might be right though that they'll go for someone 'untainted' so to speak by anything that has happened before, although it could also work in his favour if he and Yvette Cooper are the only ones standing with a lot of experience, and his left-wing credentials could get him the Union vote.

I was surprised Dan Jarvis ruled himself out so quickly, he could have been a real contender

[empire]

If ed mil, was pm today, he will still cut public spending by half, becasuse britain is borrowing far to much, and that means paying back a large amount of it, if we don't stop borrowing we will be another greece, ed mil knows this and could not lie about it if he was made pm today, labour party where already planning cuts in other things, if they got into power today,people think labour will go back to over public spending, no, they can't, when we are borrowing to much, the labour party would have to balance the book on public spending to avoid a bankrupt state.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Not sure anyone cares. Cant see a lab government for at least 15 years now...

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by MTVN

They need to embrace a Blue Labour outlook and the best of Blair, Chuka is the man for that. Burnham would carry them too far left.

Agreed, it stops the Media from rigging it against them then.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by MTVN

He's the only one left standing of the people who finished ahead of him though. You might be right though that they'll go for someone 'untainted' so to speak by anything that has happened before, although it could also work in his favour if he and Yvette Cooper are the only ones standing with a lot of experience, and his left-wing credentials could get him the Union vote.

I was surprised Dan Jarvis ruled himself out so quickly, he could have been a real contender

Dan Jarvis wife died of cancer a few years ago, he is married again but has young children, he,I guess felt their need was greater than anything else at this time.

Full and absolute credit to him for that.

I now agree with your post naming Chuka Ummunah,I see him as one that can turn things around in 5 years.
He has a good vision and business seems to like him too.

[bitontheslide]

Not wishing to throw a damper, but Chuka needs to watch how he comes across, he has the same look that Blair had, sort of smug and untrustworthy. Didn't do Blair any harm of course, but people get wise to it.

[arista]

Labours going to say who is up
in full by the 15th june

The the Result on 12 September


http://news.sky.com/story/1483384/ne...d-in-september

[Pete.]

It's actually start supporting them again if they vote in Chukka

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Petemitch

It's actually start supporting them again if they vote in Chukka

it wont happen he would tank in the North and Scotland

he is a metrosexual and they need a tony ben

[joeysteele]

I am really glad it will not be until before the conference in September.

Very careful scrutiny needs to be done and the absolute right choice made.
Chuka Ummunah would be amazing, now Rachel Reeves has ruled herself out, he would be my choice.

He, I feel,could connect with most areas of England,he could really capture a good bit of support in the East and West Midlands too which is vital to do.

He could even begin to address the big problem as to Scotland too,the parties once cast aside in Scotland have a struggle to come back, the Conservatives never have after Margaret Thatcher's time.
Then again she knew the uncertain outcomes and dangers of holding referendums.
Being dead against ever holding them herself.
I believe Labour can come back there over time.

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I am really glad it will not be until before the conference in September.

Very careful scrutiny needs to be done and the absolute right choice made.
Chuka Ummunah would be amazing, now Rachel Reeves has ruled herself out, he would be my choice.

He, I feel,could connect with most areas of England,he could really capture a good bit of support in the East and West Midlands too which is vital to do.

He could even begin to address the big problem as to Scotland too,the parties once cast aside in Scotland have a struggle to come back, the Conservatives never have after Margaret Thatcher's time.
Then again she knew the uncertain outcomes and dangers of holding referendums.
Being dead against ever holding them herself.
I believe Labour can come back there over time.

Kizzy will have to back
a Labour Tory Lite
now

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Kizzy will have to back
a Labour Tory Lite
now

So will I,not a tory lite at all but a Labour leader who will have a proper conscience and compassion with policies of justice and fairness.
Like Kizzy I would have loved Rachel to stand however.

[LeatherTrumpet]

since 1983 the only labour leader who has won an election is Tony Blair (I think)

now what does that say?

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

since 1983 the only labour leader who has won an election is Tony Blair (I think)

now what does that say?

That he won 3 times?