[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

When it comes to sexuality, which we only have the person in questions word on it, then yeah, it makes sense to believe them surely?

Unless you are one of those who agrees that liking katy perry or sandra bullock films automatically makes someone gay...

There is no defining characteristic of a gay person. So with nothing else to go on, the persons word should be enough and I do think its damn disrepectful to label someone as a closet case based on nothing. It really does nothing for all the equal rights stuff that gay people are campaigning for :S

Yep, also even if he is gay, it's no ones business but his own and if he chooses to hide that, you would think another gay man would understand that he's not ready to announce it to the world quite yet

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by samanthacurtis

He should get arrested! Didnt that dude from the last CBB get a caution for what he did?

Just watched last nights episodes and i am disgusted!

Morals, such a lovely thing to have

[Vicky.]

I'm sure I read that Jeremy was right out of rehab and into BB. That doesnt excuse his actions at all but honestly..BB should have known better than to ply someone like that full of alcohol and expect everything to be fine.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Jeremy was skunked of his face,he didn't even know he was in the house

mmm Jeremy should never have even been accepted in there tbf, he wasn't in a good place mentally I think

[LeatherTrumpet]

It was a publicity stunt

in years gone by there would have been

"This is Big Brother, can Aaron come to the diary room"

Then they would have hauled him over the coals and told him that if he does that again they would turf him.

end of

[samanthacurtis]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

mmm Jeremy should never have even been accepted in there tbf, he wasn't in a good place mentally I think

I agree. You could tell from his VT that he didn't look right

[samanthacurtis]

Plus even if Joel was gay, what gives Aaron the right to behave the way he did round him!

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

mmm Jeremy should never have even been accepted in there tbf, he wasn't in a good place mentally I think

Far from well enough to be in BB

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by samanthacurtis

Plus even if Joel was gay, what gives Aaron the right to behave the way he did round him!

Plus it wasn't a one off, its been constant harassment

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

The problem here is
1. Had he said that he wouldman's cock called homophobic and unable to take a joke
2. It would be more 'confirmation' (as if anymore was needed besides..LIKING KATY PERRY!!! ) for Aaron..aswell as some on here..that Joel is actually gay, against his own word.

Along with the fact that the behavior had never been as bad as it was last night before. So Joel may have took it as banter so far..that doesn't negate his right to be uncomfortable by a naked dude rubbing his cock on him tbh

Nobody is saying it does mean he has to have quick glances at a naked man's cock every time it was waved in his direction. .

points 1 and 2 don't really count because Joels has no idea how it would be taken...unless you're claiming he's playing a game and not being true to himself
for. ..which is what I believe his whole diary room waffle was all about.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Nobody is saying it does mean he has to have quick glances at a naked man's cock every time it was waved in his direction. .

points 1 and 2 don't really count because Joels has no idea how it would be taken...unless you're claiming he's playing a game and not being true to himself
for. ..which is what I believe his whole diary room waffle was all about.

Its like watching a horror film through your fingers, you don't mean to look,but it happens

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Nobody is saying it does mean he has to have quick glances at a naked man's cock every time it was waved in his direction. .

points 1 and 2 don't really count because Joels has no idea how it would be taken...unless you're claiming he's playing a game and not being true to himself
for. ..which is what I believe his whole diary room waffle was all about.

Of course he is playing a game All of them in there this year are highly aware of how the public will take their actions and stuff, and it has been mentioned a fair few times too.

Unfortunately in society it does seem sometimes that (camp, obvious) gay people are beyond criticism for their actions without homophobia being screamed. A straight guy cannot be uncomfortable with a guy coming onto them or they are homophobic...or a closet case. Most people are not ignorant to this skewed view. This may not be the case everywhere but it definitely is where I live. I personally know of 2 people who have been arrested for 'homophobic' attacks when it was nothing of the sort. People in general are extremely cautious about doing anything that might be perceived as them being anti-gay...as such it creates a kind of walking on eggshells thing

I hope I have put this across right because I have wrote it a few times and deleted it thinking that this kind of thing wont go down well on here But it has been my experience

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Of course he is playing a game All of them in there this year are highly aware of how the public will take their actions and stuff, and it has been mentioned a fair few times too.

Unfortunately in society it does seem sometimes that (camp, obvious) gay people are beyond criticism for their actions without homophobia being screamed. A straight guy cannot be uncomfortable with a guy coming onto them or they are homophobic...or a closet case. Most people are not ignorant to this skewed view. This may not be the case everywhere but it definitely is where I live. I personally know of 2 people who have been arrested for 'homophobic' attacks when it was nothing of the sort. People in general are extremely cautious about doing anything that might be perceived as them being anti-gay...as such it creates a kind of walking on eggshells thing

I hope I have put this across right because I have wrote it a few times and deleted it thinking that this kind of thing wont go down well on here But it has been my experience

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Of course he is playing a game All of them in there this year are highly aware of how the public will take their actions and stuff, and it has been mentioned a fair few times too.

Unfortunately in society it does seem sometimes that (camp, obvious) gay people are beyond criticism for their actions without homophobia being screamed. A straight guy cannot be uncomfortable with a guy coming onto them or they are homophobic...or a closet case. Most people are not ignorant to this skewed view. This may not be the case everywhere but it definitely is where I live. I personally know of 2 people who have been arrested for 'homophobic' attacks when it was nothing of the sort. People in general are extremely cautious about doing anything that might be perceived as them being anti-gay...as such it creates a kind of walking on eggshells thing

I hope I have put this across right because I have wrote it a few times and deleted it thinking that this kind of thing wont go down well on here But it has been my experience

Delete it and start again

I agree completely with what you are saying

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Of course he is playing a game All of them in there this year are highly aware of how the public will take their actions and stuff, and it has been mentioned a fair few times too.

Unfortunately in society it does seem sometimes that (camp, obvious) gay people are beyond criticism for their actions without homophobia being screamed. A straight guy cannot be uncomfortable with a guy coming onto them or they are homophobic...or a closet case. Most people are not ignorant to this skewed view. This may not be the case everywhere but it definitely is where I live. I personally know of 2 people who have been arrested for 'homophobic' attacks when it was nothing of the sort. People in general are extremely cautious about doing anything that might be perceived as them being anti-gay...as such it creates a kind of walking on eggshells thing

I hope I have put this across right because I have wrote it a few times and deleted it thinking that this kind of thing wont go down well on here But it has been my experience

I couldn't have put it better myself

The way people, men in particular, are being made so scared to say anything to gay men in case they get accused of being homophobic is disgusting, I as a gay man find it absolutely vile that so many people throw out the homophobic card so easily and it just screws with the meaning of the word.

Prissy gays who think everything bad that happens to them is based on homophobia are my least favourite people in the world, it's honestly horrendous, I've seen people try to destroy people's lives using this tactic and it makes me sick, so people defending Aaron, by saying that people are only persecuting him because he's gay or that Joel was only uncomfortable because he's a 'clear closet case' is not only offensive, but highly dangerous.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

He needs arresting for the fake tears !! have you ever seen anything so pathetic in your life ?

[parmnion]

Yeah I get you Vicky. Nice post.

I still think he lied about how he really felt about it in the diary room though.

[rionablue]

Originally Posted by RichardG

This

I don't think he was intending to be nasty, he probably messes around like that with his own friends in his own circles... it just wasn't appropriate in the situation he was in, particularly with the person involved (Joel) being uncomfortable/not interested.

Agreed

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Did you see the big silly chuff ? not a tear in sight !!

[samanthacurtis]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Plus it wasn't a one off, its been constant harassment

Agree. Would of been funny if it was jsut once, but his gone on since day 1 and doing what he did other night was just going to far

[susie q]

Originally Posted by Nancy Littlebottom

How dramatic of you.

Just because Joel says he's straight doesn't necessarily mean it's true. Do you normally believe everything you hear?

Personally speaking I think its wrong to 'out' people.
A) because you could be wrong about, and they could be straight, and find yourself facing a lawsuit.

B) It may cause serious problems for the person you are outing.
In some countries it is still illegal to be homosexual, and they may be imprisoned or even killed. Even in the Uk gay members of some religions (Eg Roman Catholic)
may still suffer from the attitudes of their congregation.

C) Even without the above reasons, Sexuality is a personal issue that everyone should have the right to deal with in their own way.

I dont think that Joel is gay, and I dont care anyway.

As for Aaron there maybe a plus side for him to, with any luck he will have learnt that it is not always apropriate to behave in the way he has in the house, and therefore avoid getting into far more serious trouble than he has so far.

[RockBottom]

Originally Posted by RichardG

This

I don't think he was intending to be nasty, he probably messes around like that with his own friends in his own circles... it just wasn't appropriate in the situation he was in, particularly with the person involved (Joel) being uncomfortable/not interested.

I know Joel must be getting counseling as we speak. He was horrified, horrified I say.