[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Who generalised his fans though? I didn't

This is what I'm wondering tbh I don't believe I did either unless I've phrased something incorrectly

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

I was paraphrasing, but the point that it's hard to believe that someone can have respect for people and be a Marc fan was said, and I don't think that's fair.

In regard to the specific comments you mentioned, I can say I believe he crossed some lines and I voted yes on the poll asking if he deserved his warning for his comments to Sam (but I think that was just really bad humour rather than a serious comment).

Actually, I never find his outrageous comments funny, that's not the side of Marc I'm a fan of.



Well as said above, me liking Marc has nothing to do with his comments (which I don't find funny, but I also don't believe most of them are serious).

I first started liking Marc when he objected to the ridiculous nomination of Eileen last week, and then when he provided a much needed voice of reason when everyone else in there was jumping on the "Let's hate Simon" bandwagon. His stupid comments are his downside.

And I think any posts generalising fans of a housemate and making unfair judgements are insulting, to be honest.

goos post, he has many faults and makes mistakes and says some dumb things...but he has more qualities and has the guts to speak his honest opinion and he stuck up for the underdog too

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

I was paraphrasing, but the point that it's hard to believe that someone can have respect for people and be a Marc fan was said, and I don't think that's fair.

In regard to the specific comments you mentioned, I can say I believe he crossed some lines and I voted yes on the poll asking if he deserved his warning for his comments to Sam (but I think that was just really bad humour rather than a serious comment).

Actually, I never find his outrageous comments funny, that's not the side of Marc I'm a fan of.



Well as said above, me liking Marc has nothing to do with his comments (which I don't find funny, but I also don't believe most of them are serious).

I first started liking Marc when he objected to the ridiculous nomination of Eileen last week, and then when he provided a much needed voice of reason when everyone else in there was jumping on the "Let's hate Simon" bandwagon. His stupid comments are his downside.

And I think any posts generalising fans of a housemate and making unfair judgements are insulting, to be honest.

Tbf, I'm quite shocked you are a fan of marc

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

This is what I'm wondering tbh I don't believe I did either unless I've phrased something incorrectly

liam saying he respects ALL women and a few others repeating this generalized nonsense.........theres good and bad women just like men, to respect them ALL is nonsense

[the truth]

Originally Posted by LukeB

Tbf, I'm quite shocked you are a fan of marc

shocked he had the guts to post it on this man hating site?

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Who generalised his fans though? I didn't

I find it impossible that anyone can have respect for women, or respect for anyone in general and be a fan of him and find the things he says about women funny, or entertaining, I can't see any correlation between the two imo.

You weren't just referring to finding his stupid comments funny here, but talking about being a fan of him in general.

I'm not having a go because we've always gotten along well, but I had to say something on this point because liking Marc doesn't mean I like everything he says and definitely doesn't mean I don't respect people.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by the truth

liam saying he respects ALL women and a few others repeating this generalized nonsense.........theres good and bad women just like men, to respect them ALL is nonsense

Did I actually say this though? That's the main question

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

You weren't just referring to finding his stupid comments funny here, but talking about being a fan of him in general.

I'm not having a go because we've always gotten along well, but I had to say something on this point because liking Marc doesn't mean I like everything he says and definitely doesn't mean I don't respect people.

Yeah, I clarified what I meant afterwards, after I realised I had worded my opinion wrong, I've stated multiple times after that post that I didn't mean all fans of him

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Did I actually say this though? That's the main question

do you respect ALL women?

[reece(:]

Originally Posted by the truth

shocked he had the guts to post it on this man hating site?

Maybe members wouldn't hate on the men if C5 did a decent job casting instead of giving us lifeless dullards and OTT misogynists.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by the truth

do you respect ALL women?

Taking away all the evil women who don't deserve respect, then yes I do.

I never once said i respected every single woman on the planet, I'm not exactly in the Myra Hindley fan club

[the truth]

Originally Posted by reece(:

Maybe members wouldn't hate on the men if C5 did a decent job casting instead of giving us lifeless dullards and OTT misogynists.

the main sexism is against men in most series, did you recall denise welch hitting Michael madsen in the face? or jade and co mocking dirk benedicts cancer and alcoholism or cutting up mens clothes etc but you ignore than. this site is packed with men haters always baging on about respecting ALL women...why single out women only for respect? isn't equality supposed to work both ways?

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Taking away all the evil women who don't deserve respect, then yes I do.

I never once said i respected every single woman on the planet, I'm not exactly in the Myra Hindley fan club

and you respect ALL men too? minus the bad ones

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by the truth

and you respect ALL men too? minus the bad ones

Minus the ones who don't deserve respect yes, I respect everyone

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by the truth

the main sexism is against men in most series, did you recall denise welch hitting Michael madsen in the face? or jade and co mocking dirk benedicts cancer and alcoholism or cutting up mens clothes etc but you ignore than. this site is packed with men haters always baging on about respecting ALL women...why single out women only for respect? isn't equality supposed to work both ways?

It does work both ways but this current series has a housemate in it calling women cum buckets, ugly pigs and fat sti carriers.

If Gina pops in next week and starts telling all the guys they're worthless bastards, ugly mouth breathers and generally being as hidious as Marc is being damn straight I'll be calling her a horrible person too.

[LukeB]

The only people I saw laugh at Marc's comments are females, I've yet to see a male laugh at it. idk i'm tired

[reece(:]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

It does work both ways but this current series has a housemate in it calling women cum buckets, ugly pigs and fat sti carriers.

If Gina pops in next week and starts telling all the guys they're worthless bastards, ugly mouth breathers and generally being as hidious as Marc is being damn straight I'll be calling her a horrible person too.

Truth

and I wasn't here for the Dirk Benedict stuff / barely recall the Michael/Denise stuff so. I absolutely criticised her for her role in pantsgate though

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

..OMG that smiley....

Originally Posted by MB.

...neither?

..I love you...

Originally Posted by Jack_

The correct answer is neither. It's a developing storyline and for that reason they both need to remain.

Never understand why people campaign on either side for the other housemate to be evicted when that's to the detriment of their favourite as well. It was the same with Helen and Ashleigh. They both helped each other.

..but you got there first Jack..I would say neither as well in that the Harry V Marc is the biggest storyline atm, so it wouldn't work without either one of them there..in terms of the show and discussions etc...hmmm, I do think though that at what 'cost' the entertainment..?..I think in this situation for me as it isn't an eviction as such but going to a scret room, I would prefer Marc to over Harry just because if she did, it could be another Emma situation which could have conflict way beyond what I would think was 'entertainment' just because it's never good to see anyone with such heightened feelings as she does atm for Marc...he may have equally the same feelings for her but I think that hers atm are consuming her and anyb pleasure at all she could have had in the house and for me that's quite uncomfortable to watch just to keep 'entertainment' because these housemates are real people...

Originally Posted by Jack_

Some of the comments Marc has made I don't agree with (the STI thing being one example), but I think he's a good housemate. A person maybe not so much, but as a housemate yes, and there are differences. And the idea that anyone who's a fan of Marc doesn't and cannot respect women doesn't sit well with me considering I'm one of the people who defends women and argues against sexism the most on here, not just regarding each Big Brother series but in off-season debate threads too, and anyone that can't see that is pretty deluded so

..I actually admire you Jack..that you can 'separate' the two because I know that you genuinely can and do ..with what provokes discussion in a series and with housemates/whether positive or negative and what you would find to be a good or bad quality in real life in a person, type thing because I don't think that I can ever do that, although I do and have tried...for many people who like Marc or don't like Marc says nothing at all about them and what they think is ok or not.. but just what and who are sparking the discussions etc...


....hmmm one thing though just a bit off topic, I don't always agree with you about the 'bigger' characters like Marc needing to stay in the house because I think that quite often..(not just because they monopolise airtime..)...those characters can be stifling to other housemates and them leaving can bring out so much in others that make a more balanced house and allow us to see more aspects to housemate's personalities in general...