[Liam-]

Oh, you're going down that route? okay that's where i leave

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by Josy

Oh it's the drinks fault now

Grubby Harry got caught out lying again.

That's not been proven by you or anyone else.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by MrWong

That's not been proven by you or anyone else.

It was proven by the people that wrote up the highlights description, the description that was posted on the forum then it was proven on the HIGHLIGHTS show when we witness Sam laying completely still, asleep until Harry disturbed her, then she slightly moved.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by MrWong

If Sam had on underwear how come Danny said that he saw 'everything' ?

Some underwear is not tight to the skin,as in French knickers,I'll leave the rest to your imagination.

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by Josy

It was proven by the people that wrote up the highlights description, the description that was posted on the forum then it was proven on the HIGHLIGHTS show when we witness Sam laying completely still, asleep until Harry disturbed her, then she slightly moved.

Danny's words were that he saw everything.

Small finger movements would not make the duvet move and saying she's asleep is no defense either because people do actually touch/scratch themselves whilst asleep.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by MrWong

Danny's words were that he saw everything.

Small finger movements would not make the duvet move and saying she's asleep is no defense either because people do actually touch/scratch themselves whilst asleep.

Small finger movements aren't what Harry described are they?

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Some underwear is not tight to the skin,as in French knickers,I'll leave the rest to your imagination.

So the highlights description doesn't mean much then as she could still be displaying her vag whilst wearing underwear.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Where did i say that she did? I said she saw what she saw, other people clearly saw the hand on the crotch, if Harry got it wrong, which she may have done, then she got it wrong, do I think she deliberately lied to get at Sam? no, i don't think she's that person whatsoever.

An hand on a crotch and what Harry said she was doing is totally different

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Josy

It was proven by the people that wrote up the highlights description, the description that was posted on the forum then it was proven on the HIGHLIGHTS show when we witness Sam laying completely still, asleep until Harry disturbed her, then she slightly moved.

I rewound it, there was no movement at all until Harry moved the covers

[Ellen]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

An hand on a crotch and what Harry said she was doing is totally different

Exactly

[sampvt]

Sam was obviously in a compromising position probably due to the drink, she was sleeping and had her hand on her crotch which was covered with knickers so fingering is out. Flicking her bean is also out but scratching is a posability but to infer she was deliberately masterbating is daft.

The girl was covered up and Harry put cream on top of it backed up by a rather graphic but wrongful analogy by Danny. Bottom line is that nobody in their right mind would deliberately masturbate so blatantly in front of the whole room, so we must conclude that Danny and Harry elevated this situation to suit their own aims and therefore are guilty of escalating a simple poo pah into a full blown and embarrassing episode for no reason t=other than sensationalising a simple event.

[BigBrotherfan4ever]

Yes

If Harry had any decency in her if she had seen what she saying she wouldn't broadcast it & would of just covered Sam up & just left at that & maybe had a quite word about it in the morning with Sam, not going around every HM's telling them, what she supposedly saw, it was horrible watching Sam totally embarrassed.

[Rorkimaru]

I can't know she was lying so I wouldn't say definitively but I believe she was based on what has been said and Big Brother saying that Sam was still wearing underwear.

Regardless of what occurred the way Harry and subsequently Danny dealt with the situation is fairly lousy. I know Danny has no love for Sam but he was acting like a schoolchild.

[erinp5]

Sam was lying in bed exposed and on the HL show it did look like the Hms saw more of Sam than they should have, but at no point did it look like Sam was doing what Harry gestured to the others. Later when the Hms were on the seating area Cristain and others did agree that Sam was exposed, but at no time did they agree with Harry that Sam had been masturbating. , in fact Cristain was heard saying he did not see that ...only that Sam was exposed.

Harry lied imo and Harry should have spoke to Sam on the quiet , Harry bangs on about Mark being disrespectful to women but what she did to Sam was nasty and certainly not respectful. I can't stand Harry and I hope she is up and out asap .

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by erinp5

Sam was lying in bed exposed and on the HL show it did look like the Hms saw more of Sam than they should have, but at no point did it look like Sam was doing what Harry gestured to the others. Later when the Hms were on the seating area Cristain and others did agree that Sam was exposed, but at no time did they agree with Harry that Sam had been masturbating. , in fact Cristain was heard saying he did not see that ...only that Sam was exposed.

Harry lied imo and Harry should have spoke to Sam on the quiet , Harry bangs on about Mark being disrespectful to women but what she did to Sam was nasty and certainly not respectful. I can't stand Harry and I hope she is up and out asap .

[LukeB]

I don't know why it was a big deal tbh
Most people do it so it's a bit immature to laugh at it and spread the rumours

[Vicky.]

Not lying as such, but exaggerating. I believe she was flashing the room and had her hand on her crotch. I do not believe she was aggressively fingering herself as was made out.

[dyfed]

What night did this happen?

[just thinkin]

no, she wasn't lying. did you not watch the programme last night. They were all standing there like idiots looking at sam - it was only harry made the move to cover her. the rest were like a pack of sheep.

next morning it was DANNY that was telling the Mark guy all about it -DANNY not harry. Doing the motions as well but cowardly danny backed off later in the day as did cristian...they're all afraid of little mark.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by just thinkin

no, she wasn't lying. did you not watch the programme last night. They were all standing there like idiots looking at sam - it was only harry made the move to cover her. the rest were like a pack of sheep.

next morning it was DANNY that was telling the Mark guy all about it -DANNY not harry. Doing the motions as well but cowardly danny backed off later in the day as did cristian...they're all afraid of little mark.

Don't make Harry out to be a saint,she did NOT cover Sam up straight away,watch it again,she went over to the bed ,looked started tittering and muttering with the others,after going back to her bed,THEN she went back over and flicked the duvet back on her

[Robodog]

YES I think she was lying.

If she was telling the truth and Sam WAS playing with herself, she would have maintained her version of events when everyone questioned it, not just go all silent about it.

She's hardly a shrinking violet when it comes to sex matters, so she wouldn't have been afraid to discuss it further.

I think she lied (because she wanted to 'get at' Marc through subtly demeaning Sam), then when the group questioned it, Harry realised that she'd pushed it too far and so she decided to go all quiet and say nothing rather than back it up.

[just thinkin]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Don't make Harry out to be a saint,she did NOT cover Sam up straight away,watch it again,she went over to the bed ,looked started tittering and muttering with the others,after going back to her bed,THEN she went back over and flicked the duvet back on her

not trying to make her out to be a saint...but nobody went to cover Sam up except Harry - there were plenty of them looking at her - but it was Harry that covered her up. You may not like Harry but don't make out she's the bad one here.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by just thinkin

no, she wasn't lying. did you not watch the programme last night. They were all standing there like idiots looking at sam - it was only harry made the move to cover her. the rest were like a pack of sheep.

next morning it was DANNY that was telling the Mark guy all about it -DANNY not harry. Doing the motions as well but cowardly danny backed off later in the day as did cristian...they're all afraid of little mark.

I have seen this so many times, but thats not what happened. Harry lifted the quilt up to see what was going on. Sam, then covered herself up after being disturbed? harry defintiely did not go over to 'cover her up' :S

Do people watch a different show to me or something?

[rusticgal]

Yes....Sam was asleep...she didn't even stir when Harry covered her up. I seriously don't think she was doing it in her sleep. I think she was lying there with her hand resting on her the duvet was off her and she was exposed.
Harry exaggerated the whole thing to get attention and a cheap laugh at SAMs expense.

[jennyjuniper]

I put yes, but I think rather than outright lying she was exagerating.