[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

LOL she beat Ashleigh,thats the MAIN reason she is not liked by some,you don't have to dig very deep to come to that conclusion tbh.

but Helen was not liked since she called Jale Slugsworthy, nothing to do with Ashleigh.

[MB.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

If that were true then she wouldn't have been hated by some throughout the duration of BB15 before a winner was crowned. Come on, even your memory isn't that bad.

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If you really think that the main reason Helen is disliked is because she won, then... wow.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Jack_

If that were true then she wouldn't have been hated by some throughout the duration of BB15 before a winner was crowned. Come on, even your memory isn't that bad.

She'll always be hated by some whether she is nice or not,I have no doubt people hated her,but a lot imo hate her because she won their fave.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by LukeB

but Helen was not liked since she called Jale Slugsworthy, nothing to do with Ashleigh.

I disliked her then myself,thought she was horrible

[Robodog]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

People seem to get super excited the more hate Helen gets? I mean really what sort of people do that? Helen has far more verbal and bile thrown at her, than she has ever given to anyone,so she gobbed off at Brian,Jale and Mathew,so what ? there's plenty gobbing off at her.

I'm loving you right now Kazanne

It's SO true what you are saying, yet people are refusing to see it. They just carry on being 100x more spiteful about her than she's ever been about anyone.

The hypocrisy is incredible.

[MB.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

She'll always be hated by some whether she is nice or not

I might detest her less if she ever was nice, I suppose.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by MB.

I might detest her less if she ever was nice, I suppose.

Well of course she's nice,we aren't with her 24/7.are you trying to say she is constantly nasty really, that IS clutching,she was nice a few times during her time in the house,dont you remember? of course you dont

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Helen is and can be a very nice person,just some people don't like to see that because they 'hate' her so much,shame really,so many wasted emotions.

Helen is only nice to people in her group, which is entirely comprised of people who physically embody high school popularity.

Originally Posted by Kazanne

She imo is no worse than some others that have been in there,but as I said we all know why she is really hated.

Because she's a huge bitch and a hypocrite and she is so dedicated to defending the same patriarchy that made her spiteful and angry and robbed her of her young adult years?

Originally Posted by Robodog

I'm loving you right now Kazanne

It's SO true what you are saying, yet people are refusing to see it. They just carry on being 100x more spiteful about her than she's ever been about anyone.

The hypocrisy is incredible.

Helen's entire MO is social exclusion and nasty insults and public humiliation and the like. Do I think that if she walks around the house throwing out insults whenever she pleases to whoever she pleases, that she should expect some of it to bounce back at her in the exact same fashion? Absolutely.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Robodog

I'm loving you right now Kazanne

It's SO true what you are saying, yet people are refusing to see it. They just carry on being 100x more spiteful about her than she's ever been about anyone.

The hypocrisy is incredible.

Tell me about it Robodog,all these perfect people,how come they are only on here?

[Pete.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Well of course she's nice,we aren't with her 24/7.are you trying to say she is constantly nasty really, that IS clutching,she was nice a few times during her time in the house,dont you remember? of course you dont

Astonishing

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Petemitch

Astonishing

Why is that astonishing? you didn't see her comforting anyone then?

[Pete.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Why is that astonishing? you didn't see her comforting anyone then?

It's funny you recognise she was only nice a few times and was nasty all the other times. IMO she was only friends with people who she was able to manipulate in her side as she showed with Marc this year

[Robodog]

Originally Posted by Petemitch

She's disliked by most because she bullied Ashleigh and Jale

She said some horrible things about Jale but it wasn't bullying. She never bullied Ashleigh, they just didn't like each other. Plus their series ended in them as the top 2 and HUGGING each other, remember?

As for bullying - anything Helen did A YEAR AGO - was often gobby but not bullying.

The only actual bullying i have seen is in THIS season of BB where Helen has been on the RECEIVING END of constant spiteful and often very personal verbal abuse from Brian, Aisleyne, Nikki, the eviction crowd, BOTS audience/panelists and even psych 'experts', not to mention the online community w*nking themselves into a hate frenzy to the point of actually making death threats to Helen.

Meanwhile Helen is made to apologise for saying one comment in retalliation to the man standing over her for the third time that week, pointing and shouting abuse into her face whilst being physically restrained and looking like he wants to kill her. While Brian is applauded as some kind of hero for his physical and verbal intimidation of her.

And yet somehow 'it's ok' to still all keep treating Helen like this is it? All because of her comments about Jale and Matt LAST YEAR? Does that seem fair to you?

[Calderyon]

Well, Helen obviously.

I have not seen the other guy in action, but i trust that Hellen is the worst one.

[MB.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Why is that astonishing? you didn't see her comforting anyone then?

Only if they were in her popular group, and not the ones that she outcast and belittled before acting like they were the ones in the wrong for making her sooo angreh!!!1!!!1!1!!!

But I'll leave it there because it isn't really worth debating with someone who goes to the effort of pretending that Helen's in any way a good person is it, however admirable that may be

[Robodog]

Originally Posted by Petemitch

It's funny you recognise she was only nice a few times and was nasty all the other times. IMO she was only friends with people who she was able to manipulate in her side as she showed with Marc this year

She's nice loads of times. Chloe thought so too.

She's not just nice, she's quick witted, insightful, open minded, a loyal friend, good with advice and very sympathetic; she cried last year over Chris's depression story and she cried this year over Nick's insecurity. That shows a lot about her.

She's also very strong minded, independent and attractive. No wonder so many people hate her!

[Robodog]

Originally Posted by MB.

Only if they were in her popular group, and not the ones that she outcast and belittled before acting like they were the ones in the wrong for making her sooo angreh!!!1!!!1!1!!!

But I'll leave it there because it isn't really worth debating with someone who goes to the effort of pretending that Helen's in any way a good person is it, however admirable that may be

Exactly the kind of closed-minded approach i've come to expect from the BB hate mob mentality.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Helen's only friends with people who physically embody high school cool. When she's not busy calling other women slags despite the fact that she got her spot on BB because Wayne Rooney paid her to **** him, she's justifying her own nastiness by foghorning about how everyone is TOO SENSITIVE even though she slandered Victor to a point where the show had a legal disclaimer because he said something like "stay away from that Helen." She claims to be honest even though her statements and observations do not have any reflection on the reality of any situation. She complains about other people lying even though her recollection of events is also filled with half-truths and completely misinterpretations of what actually happened. I do think she's incredibly tragic and obviously has huge daddy issues and whatnot, but go see a therapist, don't go on Big Brother. I don't want to be involved.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Petemitch

It's funny you recognise she was only nice a few times and was nasty all the other times. IMO she was only friends with people who she was able to manipulate in her side as she showed with Marc this year

I didn't say she was nasty all the other times,YOU said that,at other times she was like the rest just getting on with stuff,but if someone has it in for you ,you dont sit back like a wallflower you say your piece ,well you should and that is what she did, shw was a gobby sod but hell,rather that than some sly conniving git.

[MB.]

The "she says it to your face, that's a good thing!" school of thought is one of the many things slowly killing this already-clinically-dead show

[Daniel.]

The annoying "AARON IS BEST" trash has made me vote him as worse than Helen.

[susie q]

Didnt like either of them, but Helen was by far the worst.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by MB.

The "she says it to your face, that's a good thing!" school of thought is one of the many things slowly killing this already-clinically-dead show

omfg yes, and the whole AT LEAST SHE'S BEING HONEST. Like, yes Helen is honest about her feelings, but she presents her feelings as ****ing fact even though every recollection of a house event is littered with half-truths and whole lies.

[Pete.]

Originally Posted by Robodog

She said some horrible things about Jale but it wasn't bullying. She never bullied Ashleigh, they just didn't like each other. Plus their series ended in them as the top 2 and HUGGING each other, remember?

As for bullying - anything Helen did A YEAR AGO - was often gobby but not bullying.

The only actual bullying i have seen is in THIS season of BB where Helen has been on the RECEIVING END of constant spiteful and often very personal verbal abuse from Brian, Aisleyne, Nikki, the eviction crowd, BOTS audience/panelists and even psych 'experts', not to mention the online community w*nking themselves into a hate frenzy to the point of actually making death threats to Helen.

Meanwhile Helen is made to apologise for saying one comment in retalliation to the man standing over her for the third time that week, pointing and shouting abuse into her face whilst being physically restrained and looking like he wants to kill her. While Brian is applauded as some kind of hero for his physical and verbal intimidation of her.

And yet somehow 'it's ok' to still all keep treating Helen like this is it? All because of her comments about Jale and Matt LAST YEAR? Does that seem fair to you?

No I'm pretty sure she was part of the bullying mentality that Poz was so frequently attacked for. Her treatment of Matthew was the most classic example of bullying I've seen on BBUK. Firstly she flew off the handle at one thing he said, screamed over the top of him when he was trying to defend himself, followed him into the garden, invaded his personal face while hurling threats at him and as she retreated back into the house she continued to hurl abuse at him 'pigeon chested' etc etc.

Her bully came out first, though, when she constantly attacked Danielle on her religion, most strikingly when she said that Danielle should '**** Jesus', calling her a 'fat bitch' and what not. She also attacked Jale on her appearance, referring to her as a slug. She also mimicked the Irish accent in a negative way which some people (not me) called racist.

So with all this negative fodder against Helen surely she could not lose more fans? Alas, on the first day she told Nikki to '**** off home'. The Brian and Helen situations were easily two sided and Brian never stooped as low as likening Helen to a bully and a rapist. She also falsely accused Victor of being a drug dealer and threatened violence on Aisleyne by saying she would 'spit in her face'.

I think this is why people think Helen is a little more than a gobby bitch

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by MB.

Only if they were in her popular group, and not the ones that she outcast and belittled before acting like they were the ones in the wrong for making her sooo angreh!!!1!!!1!1!!!

But I'll leave it there because it isn't really worth debating with someone who goes to the effort of pretending that Helen's in any way a good person is it, however admirable that may be

That's not true,she openly said she had been wrong about some people Harry and Jale being just two of them,that is one of the things I liked about her she had that ability to say she was wrong,something a lot of people refuse to do even though they should.Not arguing anymore anyway,I've had my say,and I still say she is one of the best Housemates Channel 5 have had.