[Firewire]

"Equalist" isn't even a word. That could mean bringing down men's rights to relate to women's rights. It's feminism because it's trying to match whatever superiority men have and thus becoming equal. There are advantages to being both genders, but feminism fights all corners.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Firewire

"Equalist" isn't even a word. That could mean bringing down men's rights to relate to women's rights. It's feminism because it's trying to match whatever superiority men have and thus becoming equal. There are advantages to being both genders, but feminism fights all corners.

This is a contradiction.

[Firewire]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

This is a contradiction.

How so?

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Firewire

How so?

You say that it's about raising women up where men have an advantage to ensure equality but then in the same breath admit that there are advantages to both, and suggest that feminism fights all corners... Even if that last part were true, it would render "feminism" a misnomer. A damaging misnomer.

[swinearefine]

FACT: the world is misogynistic and male-dominated and men do NOT get the short end of the stick and there are not different types of advantages bla bla bla. There are lots of issues men face, stereotypes and roles they have to fit in to because of the whim of society. They have to bottle up their emotions and present a "macho" front, get drafted into wars (men still have to register for the draft here in the US when they turn 18), etc. But here's the thing: OTHER MEN are responsible for those issues! The patriarchy is responsible for the inequalities between men and women and for creating the gender roles they have been stuffed into, gender roles which relegate women to the status of the other and the inferior.

If you're not a feminist you're a misogynist, that's all there is to it.

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by swinearefine

FACT: the world is misogynistic and male-dominated and men do NOT get the short end of the stick and there are not different types of advantages bla bla bla. There are lots of issues men face, stereotypes and roles they have to fit in to because of the whim of society. They have to bottle up their emotions and present a "macho" front, get drafted into wars (men still have to register for the draft here in the US when they turn 18), etc. But here's the thing: OTHER MEN are responsible for those issues! The patriarchy is responsible for the inequalities between men and women and for creating the gender roles they have been stuffed into, gender roles which relegate women to the status of the other and the inferior.

If you're not a feminist you're a misogynist, that's all there is to it.

Me crying bc I have to get a mop to clean up all this tea you spilt

[Samuel.]

Originally Posted by swinearefine

FACT: the world is misogynistic and male-dominated and men do NOT get the short end of the stick and there are not different types of advantages bla bla bla. There are lots of issues men face, stereotypes and roles they have to fit in to because of the whim of society. They have to bottle up their emotions and present a "macho" front, get drafted into wars (men still have to register for the draft here in the US when they turn 18), etc. But here's the thing: OTHER MEN are responsible for those issues! The patriarchy is responsible for the inequalities between men and women and for creating the gender roles they have been stuffed into, gender roles which relegate women to the status of the other and the inferior.

If you're not a feminist you're a misogynist, that's all there is to it.

Ridiculous statement. Just because you may not necessarily be in support of a movement, it doesn't automatically mean you're against it. You can quite easily be neither.

[Kizzy]

For a society who hates labels and boxes people sure like putting others in boxes with labels on.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by swinearefine

FACT: the world is misogynistic and male-dominated and men do NOT get the short end of the stick and there are not different types of advantages bla bla bla. There are lots of issues men face, stereotypes and roles they have to fit in to because of the whim of society. They have to bottle up their emotions and present a "macho" front, get drafted into wars (men still have to register for the draft here in the US when they turn 18), etc. But here's the thing: OTHER MEN are responsible for those issues! The patriarchy is responsible for the inequalities between men and women and for creating the gender roles they have been stuffed into, gender roles which relegate women to the status of the other and the inferior.

If you're not a feminist you're a misogynist, that's all there is to it.

Bigoted bile and lies

women have the advantage in EVERY situation in british society
women keep the kids
women keep the home
women keep haf their partners income
there is 4 times more money spent on womens health
women outlive men by 4 to 5 years in every country on earth
women have a ratio of over 50 to 1 charities and institutions
4 times as much is spent on womens cancer, despite the fact MORE men die of cancer
men are under represented in loads of areas of british life, especially nursery primary and secondary schools
over 50% children grow up with no father
over 4 times as any men kill themselves every year in every country onearth and NOTHING IS DONE ABOUT IT
over 80 million MEN died fighting fascism and Nazism in the 1940s
the average age of MEN killed in the Vietnam war was 19
working class MEN WERENT ALLOWED VOTE Either 110 years ago but feminists ignore than because they don't want equality for men at all they just want everything for women so they are one big lie
women have 70% of the spending power
men work longer hours on average and stick to the same career on average hence why in the longer term the men who stick at the same job get paid more
women only shortlists are illegal
boys are light years behind girls in schools at all ages and NOTHING is done about it
issues like smoking in pregnancy, were not allowed to discuss it in case it patronizes super sensitive women...meanwhile their unborn babies become disabled , deformed and face a lifetime or breathing problems because of it, or simply die prematurely
abortion. we cant talk about it. men aren't allowed an opinion, despite the fact its their child in the womb too, now we have world record levels of abortion...1 million babies aborted every 6 years, but were not allowed to talk about it in case it offends womens delicate sensibilities

women are NOT more peaceful there will probably be more wars with women in charge. why? well on average women politicians voted higher in favour of wars? in fact 98% of female british mps voted for the illegal Iraq invasion

women can say ANYTHING ABOUT MEN , slander, lie, falsely accuse, ive even heard women threaten to falsely accuse unless they get their way,,,they can call them pigs, generalize about all men as being lying cheating bastards and everyone is meant TO laugh...I saw 1 tv show with Sharon osbourne who told female murderers in prison they were right to have killed their husbans and the audience laughed....I saw another where they all laughed about a women who cut her husbands penis off and he bled to death...HILARIOUS...if a man said that or even joked about it..(or even joked about a lineswoman)..HE GETS SACKED AND HIS REPUTATION AND CAREER IS DESTROYED FOREVER AND IN MANY CASES HE THEN LOSES HIS HOME AND HIS WIFE LEAVES HIM AND TAKES HIS HOME AND THE CHILDREN? NO WONDER MALE SUICIDE IS SO HIGH?

women can make up lies about men to try and destroy them all the time and get away with it because their name is kept anonymous?

men NEVER accuse women of abuse or harassment because 1) the laws and the culture ignore mens problems and 2) WORKING men simply haven't the time as theyre working themselves into an early grave trying to pay all their bills and for their ex wives the homes they were kicked out of and the kids they still pay for but aren't allowed to see because the mother has poisoned them against him....women are even allowed to lie about who is the farther for years, they get years of income from ex partners from it, yet are never ever charged for that crime? women always find a way out , even when commiting perjury, false accusation, lies about paternity and destroyed mens property....they'll cry, they'll blame it on hormones, they'll claim emotional abuse, whatever that means, oh and they'll say don't lock me up who will look after my children? LOOK AROUND YOU. the behaviour of young women is 100 times worse than men, the attitude the abuse, the theft, the lies are endless

OH AND it was a MAN who fought all his life to get women and working class people the vote, a MAN who fought to get women and men the welfare state, a MAN who fought to get women and men national insurance, A MAN who fought to create the national health service....THESE NASTY MEN.....and nearly all medical advancements that save our lives every minute of every day were created by , yes you guessed it MEN....even in the most dangerous jobs, who goes into the most dangerous scenes first men, ALWAYS MEN....if a ship sinks, who do they save first, WOMEN ALWAYS WOMEN, FUNNY THEY DONT CLAIM TO BE PATRONISED IN THAT SITUATION?

now as the argument of the feminists is absurd and they lose the argument they always try to disingenuously change the subject and talk about the middle east? wrong ....Im talking UK and western society....which is profoundly sexist AGAINST MEN.

THE middle east is a bloodbath now thanks in huge part to the elite rich bombing them to hell for 100 years...these places used to be cradles of enlightenment and were even more democratic years ago...yes I concede some of their religious texts are absurd and the way the hardliners pervert them is also obscene. Is it sexist? theyre nutters. they kill more boys than girls. they train more boys to blow themselves up. ITS NOT A WAR OF THE SEXES. ITS A WAR BETWEEN THE ELITE RICH AND THE POOR, MASQUERADED AS SOMETHING ELSE.

the middle east is in the dark ages in many ways...though even there women vastly outnumber male graduates.

MEANWHILE BACK HOME where do men go when theyre being harssassed? no one listens nor cares...no wonder men die so young
feministseven screamed when they had to work to the same age as men? why? being as they live so much longer maybe they should work longer too?

THERE WAS NO WAR BETWEEN THE SEXES IN BRITISH SOCIETY THAT IS A LIE MADE UP BY MAN HATING FEMINISTS....THE WAR HAS IS AND ALWAYS WAS BETWEEN THE ELITE RULING CLASSES AND THE REST

[MB.]

I like how you bring up average life expectancy being longer for women as an example of them being more privileged than men, as if it's something we have to stop.

[Ninastar]

who would have thought I'd see the day where I agree with Toy_Soldier and not everyone else...

[Firewire]

Why do men get so worked up about this? I honestly couldn't care less

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

You say that it's about raising women up where men have an advantage to ensure equality but then in the same breath admit that there are advantages to both, and suggest that feminism fights all corners... Even if that last part were true, it would render "feminism" a misnomer. A damaging misnomer.

she IGNORES the areas where women have an advantage and chooses not to address them, typical feminism , it claimed it wanted equality this proves they don't want equality they just want to grab as much for women as possible and men can go to hell

[arista]

Originally Posted by Shaun

Yes.

No you can not be

you are a Fella

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by swinearefine

FACT: the world is misogynistic and male-dominated and men do NOT get the short end of the stick and there are not different types of advantages bla bla bla. There are lots of issues men face, stereotypes and roles they have to fit in to because of the whim of society. They have to bottle up their emotions and present a "macho" front, get drafted into wars (men still have to register for the draft here in the US when they turn 18), etc. But here's the thing: OTHER MEN are responsible for those issues! The patriarchy is responsible for the inequalities between men and women and for creating the gender roles they have been stuffed into, gender roles which relegate women to the status of the other and the inferior.

If you're not a feminist you're a misogynist, that's all there is to it.

You are 90% correct but ultimately miss the mark. The world is controlled by a privileged elite and we are ALL ultimately at their mercy. This privilege is one that these people are, for the mostpart, born into and has absolutely nothing at all to do with gender. Calling it "the patriarchy" is misdirection, deliberate misdirection, forged by these very people themselves, to artificially create a gender war taking the attention away from where it squarely belongs: the tiny number of elite who have the rest of us under their boot-heel. Women, men, dwarves, elves, every last ****ing one of us.

The fact that the most powerful of these people are currently male is simply a consequence of 2nd wave feminism having been relatively recent; women are starting to appear more and more frequently in the ranks of the powerful elite now. It doesn't matter. It doesn't improve things for any of us and never will.

If you seek equality you MUST stop being blinded by the flashing lights of the "boys vs girls" debate and everyone, together, must turn their gaze where it belongs. On these people. On these dynasties and corporate entities.

If you think gender equality is more than a drop in the ocean then you are distracted. You are buying the hype that is being sold to you BY these people (plenty of them now female) specifically to keep you distracted. They do not give one tiny **** what you have between your legs so long as you remain productive and work your hands to the bone for their advantage.

Feminism has been corrupted, it is very specifically controlled and it has become toxic. It will never achieve equality and, in fact, is starting to generate a backlash that will only make things worse. So what is the goal? Is it really equality? It can't be because no one seems to care if that goal is even being furthered.

I WILL NOT play a part in that game. I believe in equality. I hope desperately for a world where NONE of us are trodden on by those at the top as every last one of us are today.

I am not a ****ing feminist.

[MB.]

Originally Posted by arista

No you can not be

you are a Fella

Well that's him told

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

You are 90% correct but ultimately miss the mark. The world is controlled by a privileged elite and we are ALL ultimately at their mercy. This privilege is one that these people are, for the mostpart, born into and has absolutely nothing at all to do with gender. Calling it "the patriarchy" is misdirection, deliberate misdirection, forged by these very people themselves, to artificially create a gender war taking the attention away from where it squarely belongs: the tiny number of elite who have the rest of us under their boot-heel. Women, men, dwarves, elves, every last ****ing one of us.

The fact that the most powerful of these people are currently male is simply a consequence of 2nd wave feminism having been relatively recent; women are starting to appear more and more frequently in the ranks of the powerful elite now. It doesn't matter. It doesn't improve things for any if us and never will.

If you seek equality you MUST stop being blinded by the flashing lights of the "boys vs girls" debate and everyone, together, must turn their gaze where it belongs. On these people. On these dynasties and corporate entities.

If you think gender equality is more than a drop in the ocean then you are distracted. You are buying the hype that is being sold to you BY these people (plenty of them now female) specifically to keep you distracted. They do not give one tiny **** what you have between your legs so long as you remain productive and work your hands to the bone for their advantage.

Feminism has been corrupted, it is very specifically controlled and it has become toxic. It will never achieve equality and, in fact, is starting to generate a backlash that will only make things worse. So what is the goal? Is it really equality? It can't be because no one seems to care if that goal is even being furthered.

I WILL NOT play a part in that game. I believe in equality. I hope desperately for a world where NONE of us are trodden on by those at the top as every last one of us are today.

I am not a ****ing feminist.

100% SPOT ON...THE ELITE HAE DIVIDED AND CONQUERED THE MASSES FOR CENTURIES...USING ANYTHING....PHONEY WARS, MONEY, RELIGION, LAND, BRIBERY, BLACKMAIL AND OF COURSE OVER SIMPLISTIC GENDER BRAINWASHING NONSENSE.

Those nasty working class men were to blame for it all though, lets go back 100+ years....hmmm working men living in slums, paid a pittance , working down the mines and quarries , forced to go to war to fight a rich mans war, getting no pension, a pittance to live on, rations....millions died in wars , even the ones who survived and worked with rations and pennies to live off, and walked miles to work anywhere in worn out shoes died young averge age below 40 of tuberculosis...and the pittance of pay they earned was immediately handed to their wives and children........all that and they didn't have a vote either as the landowners controlled everything, you vote against a landowner and you lose your home

ahhhh its a mans world?

ITS A RICH PERSONS WORLD...BY RICH I MEAN ELITIST 100S OF MILLIONS...THAT IS THE ONLY WAR. SADLY IT WILL TAKE BRAINWASHED FEMINISTS ANOTHER 200 YEARS TO LEARN THIS SIMPLE FACT

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by the truth

ITS A RICH PERSONS WORLD...BY RICH I MEAN ELITIST 100S OF MILLIONS...THAT IS THE ONLY WAR. SADLY IT WILL TAKE BRAINWASHED FEMINISTS ANOTHER 200 YEARS TO LEARN THIS SIMPLE FACT

Rare that I agree with you truth but this is accurate: there's only one area worth focusing on when it comes to equality and this is it. Absolutely everything else is just a byproduct of this control.

[Pete.]

At least we know why Jim won CBB now

[MB.]

Originally Posted by Petemitch

At least we know why Jim won CBB now

Linda's fault?