[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by dojo88

I respectfully disagree...

Banning someone from entering the USA for no reason whatsoever is completely cruel and unethical (especially towards children) and needs to stop. America is WAY too protective of their borders.

This is a clear breach of human rights and must stop immediately. Hearing news like this just makes me so sick in the stomach!! I wish this rubbish could stop!!!

I don't mean for no reason whatsoever. However, we do not know the facts of this case.

I think it is sensible to keep a close eye on who is coming into your country the way USA does. Even for holidays. Yeah its a pain in the arse applying for visas and such, but it makes their people safer.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by arista

The Mothers Protect the Homes from Burglers
in England

Isn't that what the police are for?

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I think it wise to let the full facts emerge before throwing out accusations such as 'Racist' and 'Discrimination' in outraged knee-jerk reaction.

I am not saying that this unfortunate family have done anything wrong, or that a system which allows them to get as far as they did, then stops them is not a faulty one, but only that it is folly to rant and level accusations of 'Racism' at members until the full picture emerges.

To me - and my faulty old logical mind - it is the very fact that this family in particular have been stopped out of - - presumably -- hundreds of other USA bound Muslims which suggests that maybe, just maybe, the multi-billion dollar American Security Services, and perhaps, their British counterpart, might just have some very valid reasons for this seemingly outrageous action.

Further - and I am NOT saying this is the case here - if me and my mate were about to travel from the UK to the USA to link up with US domiciled covert Jihadists to bring Christmas misery and tragedy to unsuspecting innocent civilians -- taking our children as cover is EXACTLY what I would do.

Closer to home, wily shoplifters use their little tots as cover to shoplift.

I just think - as in the 'so-called' case of the snotty city type in the CK suit ordering a dust covered builder in his work clothes to let him have his seat on the tube, some of these news items are not what they first appear.

great post,. seriously, how many hundreds of muslims have traveled to the US for the holidays and not been bothered at all. so the idea that the US is imposing some sort of ban on UK muslims is ridiculous.

[dojo88]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I don't mean for no reason whatsoever. However, we do not know the facts of this case.

I think it is sensible to keep a close eye on who is coming into your country the way USA does. Even for holidays. Yeah its a pain in the arse applying for visas and such, but it makes their people safer.

How would you feel if you booked a 9 grand holiday to America, arrived at Heathrow, Gatwick or whichever airport you use with all your paperwork, visas, passports etc all ready and organised and be told to **** off by one of their homeland border staff just because they "believe" you are a so called "terror threat"???

I would feel humiliated if that happened to me, wouldn't you??? I'm sure any civilised human being would.

It's a disgrace!!!

[Livia]

Originally Posted by dojo88

I respectfully disagree...

Banning someone from entering the USA for no reason whatsoever is completely cruel and unethical (especially towards children) and needs to stop. America is WAY too protective of their borders.

This is a clear breach of human rights and must stop immediately. Hearing news like this just makes me so sick in the stomach!! I wish this rubbish could stop!!!

They banned them for no reason? Do you have access to some information that no one else on here on here and no one else in the media are privy to at this moment? I'd be interested to know how you've reached the conclusion that this is a "clear breach of Human Rights" after reading the same as everyone else on here has read.

[arista]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Isn't that what the police are for?

If the Police know about a break in
sure,
better to have someone living there
while you are away.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Livia

They banned them for no reason? Do you have access to some information that no one else on here on here and no one else in the media are privy to at this moment? I'd be interested to know how you've reached the conclusion that this is a "clear breach of Human Rights" after reading the same as everyone else on here has read.

haven't you heard of that universally accepted HUMAN RIGHT that everyone can go to Disneyland??

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by arista

If the Police know about a break in
sure,
better to have someone living there
while you are away.

you would think, muslims so concerned about fragile women they need to be covered, if someone breaks in, how would she defend herself against a thug? shouldn't it be the men that stay behind to defend?

That makes no sense to me. the men should go to disneyland and enjoy frivolity, but the woman should defend the castle?

Huge cultural differences i guess.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by dojo88

How would you feel if you booked a 9 grand holiday to America, arrived at Heathrow, Gatwick or whichever airport you use with all your paperwork, visas, passports etc all ready and organised and be told to **** off by one of their homeland border staff just because they "believe" you are a so called "terror threat"???

I would feel humiliated if that happened to me, wouldn't you??? I'm sure any civilised human being would.

It's a disgrace!!!

If this is what happened then it is indeed a disgrace. However, I feel that there is probably much more to it than this..

[arista]

Originally Posted by lostalex

you would think, muslims so concerned about fragile women they need to be covered, if someone breaks in, how would she defend herself against a thug? shouldn't it be the men that stay behind to defend?

That makes no sense to me. the men should go to disneyland and enjoy frivolity, but the woman should defend the castle?

Huge cultural differences i guess.

They were looking after the 4 Kids
who grew up watching DisneyHD Ch.

[bitontheslide]

I find this all a bit silly tbh. Every country that requires a visa to enter their country can refuse you entry. Hundreds are refused every day, its not as if this is a one time incident, and it is certainly not just Muslims that get refused.

These cases always go through a full review process with a reason given if the decision is to deny entry, where is that information. This is a story created for sensationalism.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by arista

They were looking after the 4 Kids
who grew up watching DisneyHD Ch.

so the men only watch the kids when it's for a fun expensive overseas vacation, but the women have to watch them the rest of the time? That makes me upset.

[arista]

He was on SkyNewsHD

And one of his kids had a Facebook page
of Radical Islam,
with he says with his address


He says its someone else.


Now I back the USA Embassy on this


Feck Me Our PM should not have anything to do with.


His Fecking address on a Facebook page

Thank you Kay Burley


And that Mother Fecking Labour MP
is Live now


Update her Kay

[LeatherTrumpet]

they found some sh1t on them and quite rightly said go home

good for the USA

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by dojo88

Yes, you're right and I think that they should be much more lenient with who can enter the USA!!

I think it is just an absolute bloody disgrace that they can ban whomever they wish to, and unfortunately that can mean INNOCENT people, that is completely wrong and unethical!! ONLY BAN THE GENUINE TERROR THREATS!!!!!
These idiots should get their act together, do their jobs properly and focus only on those who are trying to enter the country illegally, banning innocent people from entering the USA should stop because they don't realise that THEY are embarrassing not only the innocent people they ban but themselves as well.

But aren't ALL Muslims Terror threats ???

[arista]

Nedusa
Radical islam Facebook page
had there address on it.
If his Kid had nothing to do it - fine
but clear this up

Labour MP - Ignores This

[Nedusa]

To be honest America does not want or like Muslims in any shape or form terror threats or tourists it matters not , to the US they are all unwelcome to a certain degree.

Americans are very insular and believe all the crap they are fed. If any members or close friends of this family are now or have ever been on any US watch list then I'm afraid it's bye bye Holiday...........

Maybe the father(s) can sit down and explain to their children that they were stopped going on Holiday because Daddy hates the Country they were going to and everthing it stands for. Maybe the children will understand...maybe not

[arista]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

To be honest America does not want or like Muslims in any shape or form terror threats or tourists it matters not , to the US they are all unwelcome to a certain degree.

Americans are very insular and believe all the crap they are fed. If any members or close friends of this family are now or have ever been on any US watch list then I'm afraid it's bye bye Holiday...........

Maybe the father(s) can sit down and explain to their children that they were stopped going on Holiday because Daddy hates the Country they were going to and everthing it stands for. Maybe the children will understand...maybe not

This is a Islamic Facebook page of that Dads Address
with his son on it or something
Do the Math

[arista]

The Dad who does not think
his address on a Islamic Facebook page connected to his son
is a problem

he said it should not be on it etc


Case Closed

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

To be honest America does not want or like Muslims in any shape or form terror threats or tourists it matters not , to the US they are all unwelcome to a certain degree.

Americans are very insular and believe all the crap they are fed. If any members or close friends of this family are now or have ever been on any US watch list then I'm afraid it's bye bye Holiday...........

Maybe the father(s) can sit down and explain to their children that they were stopped going on Holiday because Daddy hates the Country they were going to and everthing it stands for. Maybe the children will understand...maybe not

bull****. muslims have been very successful in this country, and we have way more than the Uk or most EU countries.

There is more homophobia in the US than anti-muslim hate, and gays have never committed a terrorist attack.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by arista

The Dad who does not think
his address on a Islamic Facebook page connected to his son
is a problem

he said it should not be on it etc


Case Closed

An Islamic facebook page? What is the page for?

[dojo88]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

But aren't ALL Muslims Terror threats ???

No, not all of them, only those ISIS/al-Qaeda loonies. Saying that ALL muslims are terror threats is like saying that all Germans are Nazis!!!

Get a grip

[Livia]

Originally Posted by dojo88

No, not all of them, only those ISIS/al-Qaeda loonies. Saying that ALL muslims are terror threats is like saying that all Germans are Nazis!!!

Get a grip

How do you know these people aren't a threat? Because they said so? Muslims travel to the USA all the time, why were these people stopped, just on a whim? I'd wait till you have more of the story before you decide it's everyone else who needs to get a grip.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Good to know at least one country is checking who goes in and out of it and refusing to let in people who they are suspicious about..

[arista]

Originally Posted by Cherie Christmas

An Islamic facebook page? What is the page for?

The Page was Terrorism

Why is it still there - Facebook do not read
or have staff to do it.



He says he does not know Why his Address
is on that page/


I say to him Go Fecking find out
why his home address is on that page
that has upset the USA Embassy