[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Even when I smoked I hated it in cafes, I thought it was rude to smoke where people ate.

Yeah same, I wasn't bothered about the ban in bars or restaurants but banning smoking outside isn't on imo

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Even when I smoked I hated it in cafes, I thought it was rude to smoke where people ate.

Bang On Right
Kizzy

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I have said this many times on here, I have never smoked and will not but they pay vast taxes for their smoking needs and I see no reason at all to stop people smoking in open spaces.
Either have the courage to make buying cigarettes, cigars and tobacco illegal or stop persecuting further those who choose to do so.

Superbly put.

My generation started smoking in the first place because it was the 'social norm' and was deemed 'cool' thanks to massive conditioning via glossy advertising on hoardings, in magazines and newspapers, adverts on TV and in cinemas, and even thanks, in no little part, to most of the top film and TV stars - male AND female - smoking in films and in TV programs.

Various UK Government policy regarding smoking is, and always has been - as you so rightly intimate - disgustingly hypocritical.

It was not that long ago, that pubs and clubs had 'Public Bars', 'Snugs', 'Concert Rooms' AND 'Smoking Rooms' - a system which worked admirably well, with no one who did not smoke being forced to sufferer 'second-hand' smoke and all its undoubted health risks and unpleasantness, yet no smoker was made to feel like a criminal and forced to smoke outside in all weathers.

You are absolutely correct again Joey.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

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Superbly put.

My generation started smoking in the first place because it was the 'social norm' and was deemed 'cool' thanks to massive conditioning via glossy advertising on hoardings, in magazines and newspapers, adverts on TV and in cinemas, and even thanks, in no little part, to most of the top film and TV stars - male AND female - smoking in films and in TV programs.

Various UK Government policy regarding smoking is, and always has been - as you so rightly intimate - disgustingly hypocritical.

It was not that long ago, that pubs and clubs had 'Public Bars', 'Snugs', 'Concert Rooms' AND 'Smoking Rooms' - a system which worked admirably well, with no one who did not smoke being forced to sufferer 'second-hand' smoke and all its undoubted health risks and unpleasantness, yet no smoker was made to feel like a criminal and forced to smoke outside in all weathers.

You are absolutely correct again Joey.

Over here most bars have "smoking rooms" which are semi outdoor, though alot of them really are borderline "outdoor" lol and you know what? a massive amount of non smokers end up there with their buddies anyway

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Over here most bars have "smoking rooms" which are semi outdoor, though alot of them really are borderline "outdoor" lol and you know what? a massive amount of non smokers end up there with their buddies anyway

It's the same over here Niamh from what I've witnessed.

[Kazanne]

So what about all the emissions from cars etc,surely that is just as damaging to health?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

So what about all the emissions from cars etc,surely that is just as damaging to health?

ikr? because all these people crying out for smokers to be banned would cry if they were told they had to walk or cycle everywhere from now on

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

ikr? because all these people crying out for smokers to be banned would cry if they were told they had to walk or cycle everywhere from now on

Robots will be a huge source of pollution too

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

So what about all the emissions from cars etc,surely that is just as damaging to health?

Absolutely right and just perhaps even moreso.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Absolutely right and just perhaps even moreso.

I would say a lot moreso Joey when you consider the amount of cars on the road, I am an ex smoker , I gave up 11 years ago now , but if people want to smoke that is up to them , and if they are smoking outside ,I see no problem as while we have cars , lorries etc , we wont be any healthier.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I would say a lot moreso Joey when you consider the amount of cars on the road, I am an ex smoker , I gave up 11 years ago now , but if people want to smoke that is up to them , and if they are smoking outside ,I see no problem as while we have cars , lorries etc , we wont be any healthier.

Exactly. and as you say if people still want to smoke so what.
Surely a public place is a public place and as long as nothing illegal is being done, why any need for extra laws,especially ones that would prohibit an actual legal act anyway.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

So what about all the emissions from cars etc,surely that is just as damaging to health?

No as that is changing
all the time.

To Cleaner Fuel
& Electric.Hybrid Buses

But Stinking Smokers under Bus Shelters
even though it says NO

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

No as that is changing
all the time.

To Cleaner Fuel
& Electric.Hybrid Buses

But Stinking Smokers under Bus Shelters
even though it says NO

Under bus shelters that usually are open at the bottom of them and then have 2 sides open as well.
However what a stupid rule anyway, since just take 2 steps outside the bus shelter and its legal to smoke there, as if the smoke couldn't possibly find its way under the bottom or the open sides.

Ridiculous and the nanny state gone mad in my view.

[LeatherTrumpet]

The reason smoking exists is to do with the fact that sub 40 humans have little concept of mortality so they can smoke like pigs and dont care

by the time they get to 40 and start to realise they will die its too late


Thus it must be banned outright

[Northern Monkey]

Eventually it will be banned,Just not for a while.It's already being slowly phased out with the messages on packets,ciggies being hidden behind doors in shops,banned in public buildings etc.The state are just slowly grooming people into acceptance of banning it.Smokers are slowly becoming a minority.It will take a few generations but it will happen when so little people smoke that it's not profitable for the country.
Of course they will never stop people smoking as they will just get them on the black market but as companies stop making them then quality will go down.
Personally i'm all for people to make their own choices in life.Cigs are more dangerous than many drugs.If we are going to keep ciggies legal then we should just make all drugs legal.It is hypocritical to let people take one or two lethal drugs but not others.

[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

The reason smoking exists is to do with the fact that sub 40 humans have little concept of mortality so they can smoke like pigs and dont care

by the time they get to 40 and start to realise they will die its too late


Thus it must be banned outright

Bang On Right LT

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by arista

Bang On Right LT

sadly i think all our mods and admin are smokers


its a disgrace